spoiler: Rumple-Snow-Charming: what went wrong?

[darcyfarrow]

So now that season 1 is over, I’m watching “Price” again and wondering what went wrong in the relationship between Snow, Charming and Rumple. In “Price” Charming is really badmouthing the imp something awful, but in episodes that were shown later in season 1–but giving us stories set before the time of “Price”–Charming and Snow seem to be ok with Rumple; in fact, in “Land without Magic” once they've had their little roughhousing moment, Charming and Rumple have a pretty friendly chat. Rumple even gives Charming new clothes free of charge. So something must’ve gone sour, possibly around the time Charming and Snow take back the kingdom. What say you, good people? What do you suppose caused the turn?

(sorry, the spoiler tags aren’t working; that’s why I used a “spoiler” heading.)

[Josephine]

I don’t know. Part of me wants to say it’s a continuity issue, but they have to write it somehow into the story. Even if it is just Rumple demanding Cinderella’s baby. But really, I think something happened to Rumple between the Charming scene and when they captured him. Something big. He was drinking heavily from his flask, he looked more monster-like, and he was more psychotic. Did he break after losing Belle?

I hope they show it, because I think Gold could be a real asset to the Charmings in the future. I hope they don’t think they could recapture him, because he knew it was a setup the first time. He knew when he signed the scroll that he was going to be captured. Plus, they’d have a bunch of Rumple fangirls storming the writers’ room for OUaT.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[obisgirl]

I don’t know. I always thought it was Rumpel demanding Ella’s baby (who was a royal) in that episode that prompted the Charming’s to take action. But who knows? maybe it was something else we haven’t seen it.

[PriceofMagic]

@Josephine wrote:

I don’t know. Part of me wants to say it’s a continuity issue, but they have to write it somehow into the story. Even if it is just Rumple demanding Cinderella’s baby. But really, I think something happened to Rumple between the Charming scene and when they captured him. Something big. He was drinking heavily from his flask, he looked more monster-like, and he was more psychotic. Did he break after losing Belle?

I hope they show it, because I think Gold could be a real asset to the Charmings in the future. I hope they don’t think they could recapture him, because he knew it was a setup the first time. He knew when he signed the scroll that he was going to be captured. Plus, they’d have a bunch of Rumple fangirls storming the writers’ room for OUaT.

When Rumpel was actually imprisoned, I think his regrets over Belle and Bae definitely unhinged him because he had nothing else to do but think. However before that, I reckon he was just trying to get on with his life and not dwell on the mistakes he made.

Skin Deep takes place before Dreamy.
Dreamy takes place before 7:15 A.M.
7:15 A.M. takes place before Heart of Darkness.
Heart of Darkness before An apple red as blood.
AARAB before A Land without Magic.
ALWM happens sometime before The Price of Gold.

Rumpel was never friends with Snow or Charming to begin with but I agree that something must have happened for them to go after him quite like they did. Cinderella’s baby wasn’t the first time that Rumpel dealt in children. Charming’s twin brother was the price for saving his parent’s farm and Rumpel made that deal in order to procure a child for George and his wife. Perhaps Rumpel’s deals were generally becoming more nasty and it was decided that the kingdom would be better of without him preying on the desperation of the poor. Snow would have been pregnant and married by the time of The Price of Gold so they would have had Regina’s threat looming over them.Maybe they wanted to take Rumpel out of the game before Regina could use him as an ally.

In Stroybrooke, Snow and Charming are going to have to choose which is the lesser of the two evils between Rumpel and Regina.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[lilred]

Maybe, since he was such a big help in FINDING each other (over and over again) they thought he would help them take back the kingdom and he didn’t or appeared to be helping King George/Regina. If next season is going to have Snow and Charming ‘taking back the kingdom(s), then we now have a time slot where Rumple could be up to anything and working in a number of other fairytales.
But the most possible idea would come back to The Price of Gold. Since Snow was absent in the imprisonment of Rumple, and the curse was enacted two months or so after Rumple is imprisoned, she might have been seven months pregnant at the time. Knowing Rumple traded for his twin, was waiting for Cinderella’s baby, he had to realize Rumple could have plans for his baby as well. Hence, very protective father/husband in the first episode from the almost sympathetic towards Rumple in the last episode.

[Snickerdoodle]

PC calls Rumplestiltskin a “scourge” in PofG. Why a scourge? Why not just a menace? I looked up the meaning of scourge and there were 3 definitions — 1) like a whip; causing pain and inflicting punishment
2) an instrument of punishment or criticism, or 3) a cause of wide or great affliction.

It is hard for me to understand how Rumplestiltskin was a scourge, given what I have seen so far. He is one to take advantage of a desperate soul when he has opportunity, although he wasn’t so eager in the beginning with Cinderella, but rather warmed up to the idea given the situation and then took total advantage with an open-ended deal on her part. I wonder if she had known he would ask for her first child if she would have gone through with it. I think she would, much like the miller’s daughter in the story of Rumplestiltskin — she was desperate.

However, a scourge, seems much more widespread than what I have seen so far of Rumplestiltskin. Although, by the time of Belle, he was apparently widely known about. (sidenote: anyone else find it interesting that his price for helping Belle’s father was her, his child?) He was perhaps a bit of a scourge in the village where he and Bae lived, and everyone else lived in fear of something happening to Bae and the repercussions of that possibility.

Just an interesting and seemingly bitter choice of words, after the shared moment we saw between PC and Rumple in ALWM, I agree. I am interested as to why these writers chose that particular word to describe him, then.

[hjbau]

It isn’t like Rumpel and Charming had a trusted wonderful moment together. Rumpel caused a lot of problems by giving Snow that potion and the bow and arrow. And it may be simply that they realize some of the things Rumpel has done in the past. They had only just met him around the time of the end of the season in fairytale land, so they have probably had a lot more problems with him now.

[darcyfarrow]

The weird thing is, just a short time later, after the visit to Rumple in his prison cell, Charming speaks in favor of trusting Rumple: “If you believed him about the curse then you must believe him about our child. She will be the savior.”

So we go from Rumple helping Charming and Snow reunite (and thus helping Charming save Snow’s life), to the “scourge” statement and the deception leading to imprisonment, to “believe him.” Either we’re missing some major plot points in between or Charming is showing signs of Davidness.

[lilred]

I wonder if Rumple knows his name? Snow has only ever called him James or Charming, even right before the curse. The fact that she feels entitled to take both kingdoms makes me feel that she isn’t aware of the Shepherd’s story. If Rumple is the only person in FL with Charming’s name and true backstory, that is a lot of power to hold against a ‘prince’. Maybe another reason Snow gave Rumple Emma’s name, not Charming who could of know the dangers of Rumble knowing your name firsthand.

[hjbau]

I don’t think that Charming believed what Rumpel said at all. I think Snow did. And Charming was just being logical about it. If you believe part of what Rumpel said then you need to believe all of it. And believing someone is telling the truth is not the same thing as trusting them, in my opinion. Pretty much Charming’s entire world has been turned upside down by Rumpel and not in a good way and when it comes down to it i am pretty sure the same is going to be true for Snow because of Cora and Regina and that is not even mentioning the whole incident with the dark curse for which Rumpel is very much responsible for.

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