Stepfather Hook?

[RumplesGirl]

@winlea78 wrote:

I’m sure Bae will forgive hook for his betrail, look at how he forgave rumple. And with the knowlage of what he did to his mother. Bae may also regret leaving hook.

But did he forgive Rumple? Their relationship as of ASOTM wasn’t anything like either one of them hoped it would be.

[Phee]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I think Rumple didn’t fight for Milah because the odds were stacked against him. He had Bae to think about. If he died duelling Hook, who was far more experienced with a sword, who would’ve taken care of Bae? Rumple didn’t want Bae to have the childhood he had of growing up without a father? Bae had already lost one parent that day, he didn’t need to lose the other.

Reminds me of sentiments expressed during a recent portal scene in SB. Rumple wanted his son to be looked after by a parent just like Nealfire wanted his son to be. Really, Rumple’s heart was in the right place when it came to Bae, which makes it even sadder that the parasite of the Dark One curse corrupted him to the point that he let Bae’s hand go, subjecting the kid to the same fate he’d suffered of growing up alone.

I think the fact that Milah and Hook discussed taking Bae with them when she deemed him old enough actually makes her look worse then she did before. She chose to let Bae grow up without a mother then she would have just crashed back into Bae’s life and taken him away from the father who loved him. Rumple wouldn’t have had any say in the matter, Milah would have probably just took Bae and left again.

I can imagine conversations where Killian would tell Milah that they should go back now for Bae, that his age didn’t matter, because they could give him a good life. If what he told Bae about he and his father having dreamed of sailing the realms had any kernel of truth to it, then he could have seen Bae as his chance to live that dream that he never got to with his father.

Milah would have been the one insisting that they wait. Maybe she didn’t want to face Rumple because she was ashamed of leaving like she had. Maybe she feared what Bae’s reaction to her would be, and it was better to be left wondering rather than have it confirmed that he hated her, (shades of Nealfire being afraid to look for Emma in that). At the end of the day, Milah made her own bed. She was all kinds of wrong to leave Rumple and Bae the way that she did.

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@winlea78 wrote:

I’m sure Bae will forgive hook for his betrail, look at how he forgave rumple. And with the knowlage of what he did to his mother. Bae may also regret leaving hook.

But did he forgive Rumple? Their relationship as of ASOTM wasn’t anything like either one of them hoped it would be.

Nealfire wants to be able to forgive Rumple, but their relationship is WAY complicated. There’s no quick fix for that hot mess.

[kfchimera]

Milah is more plot device than character but there is interesting space to fashion a character there if they want, one who isn’t just a scape goat for Rumpel or Hook’s actions, but a complicated character in her own right (a mix of harassed Young Cora, bravery-seeking Belle, misguided mothering like Regina and old Cora, sacrificing Snow).

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

@KFChimera wrote:

Milah is more plot device than character but there is interesting space to fashion a character there if they want, one who isn’t just a scape goat for Rumpel or Hook’s actions, but a complicated character in her own right (a mix of harassed Young Cora, bravery-seeking Belle, misguided mothering like Regina and old Cora, sacrificing Snow).

This is true, she does have potential to be more than just what she is right now. I know we’ll see her again as we’re getting more of Hook’s backstory and maybe they’ll show how conflicted she was over leaving Bae and how much she wanted to go back and get him but in my eyes the fact remains: she didn’t. She ran off, left him with someone she considered to be a coward and wished has died instead of being a father and chances are I’m never going to like her much.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[winlea78]

I think Neal came to a place where he was able to put aside his own hurt/anger to help his father who desperately needed his life saving help. Not so much for who rumple was now but more to honor who he was as a father. Neal isn’t perfect but he does have Sense of morality. I think to Neal letting his father die would be allowing himself to sink to a new low. In effect, he would be becoming someone he didn’t want to be. Also, there’s the Henry factor. Bae probably didn’t want his sons first impression or memory of him to be seeing him let his father die. Neal, unlike Rumple, seems to be able to see the bigger pictur and look at the outcome of a given action befor he acts.

[RumplesGirl]

@winlea78 wrote:

I think Neal came to a place where he was able to put aside his own hurt/anger to help his father who desperately needed his life saving help. Not so much for who rumple was now but more to honor who he was as a father. Neal isn’t perfect but he does have Sense of morality. I think to Neal letting his father die would be allowing himself to sink to a new low. In effect, he would be becoming someone he didn’t want to be. Also, there’s the Henry factor. Bae probably didn’t want his sons first impression or memory of him to be seeing him let his father die. Neal, unlike Rumple, seems to be able to see the bigger pictur and look at the outcome of a given action befor he acts.

I think this is true in The Miller’s Daughter, but stops being true around Lacey when Rumple began his downward spiral. In SSTR, Neal flat out tells Rumple that he hasn’t changed and that Neal isn’t sticking around SB for Rumple, but for Henry. In the days/weeks following the Cora storyline, Rumple and Bae had no further communication and interaction until Neal caught him almost stepping on Whale’s face for looking at Lacey. This is why Neal’s “death” really shakes Rumple because they parted on terrible terms. Rumple thinks he failed as a father again and this is why he goes after Henry, to honor Bae. They had one very beautiful moment in The Miller’s Daughter but it didn’t erase the centuries of hurt and abandonment. That’s going to be a S3 story, and maybe even a series long story. That hurt doesn’t just magically go away, even after a season. It will probably be a struggle for the two of them for awhile.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[winlea78]

Even Gold himself said “my son and I have a ways to go”. So I think the story tellers are letting us know that this will be a continuing theme for them for quite a while. That’s why I’m almost certain that S3 will show Hook and Bae work out their issues and have a good relationship long before Rumple does with Bae. Hook coming back to save Henry will help patch things up too. Also, hook laid it all on the table for Bae and he’s remained pretty much the same person over the years Bae has known him. Whereas with his father, he’s not always so sure what he’s dealing with exactly. So that may also push him closer to hook. Overall Bae’s expectations of hook are much lower than he has of his actual father; hook has a better chance of exceeding while rumple can easily fall way below Bae’s expectations

[Demileto]

@winlea78 wrote:

Even Gold himself said “my son and I have a ways to go”. So I think the story tellers are letting us know that this will be a continuing theme for them for quite a while. That’s why I’m almost certain that S3 will show Hook and Bae work out their issues and have a good relationship long before Rumple does with Bae. Hook coming back to save Henry will help patch things up too. Also, hook laid it all on the table for Bae and he’s remained pretty much the same person over the years Bae has known him. Whereas with his father, he’s not always so sure what he’s dealing with exactly. So that may also push him closer to hook. Overall Bae’s expectations of hook are much lower than he has of his actual father; hook has a better chance of exceeding while rumple can easily fall way below Bae’s expectations

I don’t know about that. We’ve been shown that deep down Bae still hopes that one day Rumple can once again be the man he used to love as his father, but Hook? He barely had a relationship with him before he found out Hook’s dirty secrets regarding Milah and Rumple and got betrayed by him to the Lost Ones, I don’t see him getting closer to Hook anytime soon. In fact, quite the opposite: I think Bae’s more likely to openly express hatred and distrust towards Hook than anything else.

[RumplesGirl]

Do we know how long Hook and Bae were together? When I watched it seemed like only a few days had passed from pulling Bae out of the water and to when he was taken by the Lost Ones. But it could have been months, I suppose.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kfchimera]

@Demileto wrote:

I think Bae’s more likely to openly express hatred and distrust towards Hook than anything else.

We don’t know exactly, but still fast enough they could not have bonded too much. Helping with Henry could win Hook some goodwill, but we have to see how that goes down.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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