Stepfather Hook?

[obisgirl]

@winlea78 wrote:

Bae won’t hold hook to the same standards he holds his father.

I absolutely agree.

[RumplesGirl]

@obisgirl wrote:

@winlea78 wrote:

Bae won’t hold hook to the same standards he holds his father.

I absolutely agree.

I think I agree to an extent. I think it’s going to take more than Hook saying “I’m sorry” passionately; Hook may not have wronged Bae in the same way, but he was another father figure who let Bae go (and she did spend 200+ years on an island with the Lost Ones because of it). So I think it’s going to take a little bit more than a heartfelt apology.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[winlea78]

….but if Bae had chosen to stay with hook, that wouldn’t have happened. As much as I love Bae to pieces, I find him partly to blame for his Neverland fiasco.

[RumplesGirl]

@winlea78 wrote:

….but if Bae had chosen to stay with hook, that wouldn’t have happened. As much as I love Bae to pieces, I find him partly to blame for his Neverland fiasco.

He was determined to go, I agree. And I think he knows that too. So while I think forgiveness to Hook is much easier and simpler than Rumple, I do think it’s a little bit more than a “I’m sorry.”

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[winlea78]

Good point. I think the best way to Bae’s heart is through Henry. Show genuine concern for Henry and your good with Bae. That was one of the things Neal was upset about with is dad.

[Phee]

@winlea78 wrote:

….but if Bae had chosen to stay with hook, that wouldn’t have happened. As much as I love Bae to pieces, I find him partly to blame for his Neverland fiasco.

He was pretty adamant about not staying on the JR. But then the question is, should Hook, knowing how dangerous the Lost Ones are, have put his foot down and insisted that Bae was staying, if only for his own personal safety? Hook probably didn’t feel in a position to wield that sort of parental declaration though, given how Bae had knocked back the proposal of them being family. It’s an emotionally complex situation from both of their perspectives.

@RumplesGirl wrote:

So while I think forgiveness to Hook is much easier and simpler than Rumple, I do think it’s a little bit more than a “I’m sorry.”

Hook’s turning that boat around was his, “I’m sorry.” He thinks he’s lost the final chance to ever say it to Bae’s face, but remembering this…
Hook: It’s not too late to start over. I can change, Bae…for you.
Bae: You say that, but I know you’ll never change, because all you care about is yourself.
…made him turn that ship around and finally change, do the right thing, for Bae, and his family, even though Bae’s gone and will never know about it, (as far as Hook knows, given that everyone thinks Nealfire is dead). It’s a massive gesture on his part, and it will be interesting to see how readily Nealfire accepts it when they do meet up again, (which I’m sure they will).

[kfchimera]

@Phee wrote:

@winlea78 wrote:

….but if Bae had chosen to stay with hook, that wouldn’t have happened. As much as I love Bae to pieces, I find him partly to blame for his Neverland fiasco.

He was pretty adamant about not staying on the JR. But then the question is, should Hook, knowing how dangerous the Lost Ones are, have put his foot down and insisted that Bae was staying, if only for his own personal safety? Hook probably didn’t feel in a position to wield that sort of parental declaration though, given how Bae had knocked back the proposal of them being family. It’s an emotionally complex situation from both of their perspectives.

It is not so much Hook should have put his foot down, so much as he should have tried not to profit from betraying Bae. Keeping Bae safe for his own good may have been as Snow calls it “the hard path”, but it seemed Hook had already set him up, rather than warning Bae. He may have been willing to cancel the betrayal, if Bae didn’t reject him for suspecting exactly that sort of thing in the first place.

@Phee wrote:

It’s a massive gesture on his part, and it will be interesting to see how readily Nealfire accepts it when they do meet up again, (which I’m sure they will).

I agree.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Demileto]

@KFChimera wrote:

It is not so much Hook should have put his foot down, so much as he should have tried not to profit from betraying Bae. Keeping Bae safe for his own good may have been as Snow calls it “the hard path”, but it seemed Hook had already set him up, rather than warning Bae. He may have been willing to cancel the betrayal, if Bae didn’t reject him for suspecting exactly that sort of thing in the first place.

^ This is why I think Neal will be far less tolerant with Hook than Rumple. Hook brought just as much pain to him as Rumple did, but Rumple at least would’ve never betray him out to the enemy like Hook did. Having experienced that, does anyone really think he’d trust Hook with Henry’s safety? For all he knows Hook’d do that just so he can extort Peter Pan of something.

[Phee]

@Demileto wrote:

Having experienced that, does anyone really think he’d trust Hook with Henry’s safety? For all he knows Hook’d do that just so he can extort Peter Pan of something.

Depends what’s come to pass in NL by the time Nealfire catches up with them again. Hook, Rumple, and Regina, will likely all be willing to engage in underhanded activities in the quest to get Henry back, but it’s anyone’s guess at this stage exactly how any of them will behave. If Hook does something in rescuing Henry that truly proves him trustworthy, then Nealfire will have to acknowledge that he’s changed and will have to reevaluate his opinion of him.

Turning the boat around was a good start towards proving himself, because Hook didn’t do that for himself. In fact, at the time he turned the boat around, his intention was to help save the town, and that included saving Rumple. Hook had officially let go of his centuries old vendetta. And if he went back and they failed to save the town, then his arse was toast along with everyone else’s. He put himself in harm’s way, to help save the Crocodile. That alone is a major change. And Bae told him that he’d never be able to change. Hook wants to prove the kid wrong and be a better man as a means of honouring Bae’s memory.

[Demileto]

@Phee wrote:

@Demileto wrote:

Having experienced that, does anyone really think he’d trust Hook with Henry’s safety? For all he knows Hook’d do that just so he can extort Peter Pan of something.

Depends what’s come to pass in NL by the time Nealfire catches up with them again. Hook, Rumple, and Regina, will likely all be willing to engage in underhanded activities in the quest to get Henry back, but it’s anyone’s guess at this stage exactly how any of them will behave. If Hook does something in rescuing Henry that truly proves him trustworthy, then Nealfire will have to acknowledge that he’s changed and will have to reevaluate his opinion of him.

I agree, but I think this is something that Neal will have to see for himself, tales of Hook’s good deeds in their quest to save Henry isn’t enough for someone so burned by life as Neal is. Same thing for Rumple.

@Phee wrote:

[Turning the boat around was a good start towards proving himself, because Hook didn’t do that for himself. In fact, at the time he turned the boat around, his intention was to help save the town, and that included saving Rumple. Hook had officially let go of his centuries old vendetta. And if he went back and they failed to save the town, then his arse was toast along with everyone else’s. He put himself in harm’s way, to help save the Crocodile. That alone is a major change. And Bae told him that he’d never be able to change. Hook wants to prove the kid wrong and be a better man as a means of honouring Bae’s memory.

That’s very true, I agree.

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