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@Gypsy wrote:
Regina is Henry’s legal mother, and she very well could take this to court and get her son back, and have the whole Charming family arrested, because it’s actually like they kidnapped Henry.
There is no way Regina went through legal channels to adopt Henry.
She’ the Evil Queen from the Enchanted Forest.
She didn’t exist in our world.
She became the Mayor of a town (frozen in time) that also didn’t exist in our world.Legal= paperwork.
Regina wouldn’t have been able to fill out the most basic of information like phone # and address, because Storybrooke didn’t exist.When Owen brought the police to the town line, they couldn’t even see Storybrooke, let alone have authority over it and/or uphold any laws.
I agree. Plus we know from episode 2 she went through Mr. Gold and that probably included a lot of shady dealings to get Henry.
[adrotate group="5"]Regina: I’m not in the business of making deals with you anymore.
Mr. Gold: To which deal are you referring?
Regina: You know what deal.
Mr. Gold: Oh, right. Yeah. The boy I procured for you. Henry.
As to the legality of Regina’s adoption: Gold’s wording is very interesting. The word procured would seem to indicate that it wasn’t on the up and up. We have yet to learn the exact nature of the adoption but Mr. Gold did think he was a lawyer (though probably not an honorable one). I agree that Regina is probably not Henry’s legal mother, but she did raise him for 10 years and until MM gave Henry the book, his mind was so affected by the curse that he did think Regina a good mother. I think it’s a huge gray area. Regina and Emma both love him and…it’s complicated, right? that’s the take away…it’s complicated.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So, basically, what you’re all is saying that, Regina has no holds to Henry. Wrong, because even Gold had documents for Ashley’s baby, and therefore, I’m pretty sure he had Regina sign LEGAL forms to obtain Henry, and despite the circumstances, under law of their contract, Henry is Regina’s son!
FYI, the curse is broken, so Regina could very well call authorities to arrest Snow’s Family, because they are seemingly holding Henry hostage, I mean i feel bad for the kid living in a crammed up apartment, and please note people on moment Regina said directly Henry was crazy, she went about the situation, another parent would if their children had “imaginary friends.” Get them some therapy, it was Henry’s viewpoints that she was making him out to be crazy which she wasn’t, and despite she didn’t, she apologized nontheless, and as a matter of fact, yes Regina did agree to learn magic, and she did love it, who wouldn’t??? She sought magic to bring Daniel back, when that failed which Rumple did conspire to create in his words: “HIs Monster”, Regina didn’t have no where else to go, she was trapped in the castle because of Cora’s tree spell, and she couldn’t leave despite her banishing Cora because a curse only lifts once the witch is dead. So the only way to break that bond was to kill the king, she was left with no choice, stuck being married to someone you didn’t love, and who only showed you off as a trophy, and being a mother to a girl who you despise. This nearly drove her to kill herself, till the Genie stopped, who offered to kill the king, Regina just accepted, and Dearie Fans, she tried to let it go as seen in We Are Both, but once your heart is darkened as it was for Regina when Daniel died in The Stable Boy, it grew darker each year went by, which I think was about twelve years she was stuck with the King, and she ruled six years as Evil Queen, making Snow to be 28 at the time the curse was cast, and 22 when she fled. Regina helped Snow White really, to grow up fast, because in the Genie Episode, Snow White was an adult acting like a five year old smelling flowers, dancing, spoiled, and on the run, she learned self defense, hunting, how to survive. So Regina did help Snow White, and the only Charming I don’t have a problem with is David, because he fell in love with Snow, and got caught in this messy Cross Fire, and during her early redemption, Regina and David weren’t close, probably not even friends, but they managed to put aside their differences to help Henry, David was the first Charming to give Regina a real chance, and everything was fine right up until Snow and Emma returned, who brought back all that drama. I want to see my Queen be happy as much as you Dearies want Rumple to be happy, and maybe one day we can see that very akward Thanksgiving Dinner Episode."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Regina helped Snow White really, to grow up fast, because in the Genie Episode, Snow White was an adult acting like a five year old smelling flowers, dancing, spoiled, and on the run, she learned self defense, hunting, how to survive
The problem here, in what you said, is intent. Regina did not intend Snow to grow up and become self-sufficant. She intended her to die. She sent the Huntsman to kill her and bring back her heart. She didn’t want Snow to grow up…she wanted her to die. Just like Snow didn’t intend for Daniel to die, she intended that Regina and Cora could reach an understanding and love each other as mother and daughter.
She sought magic to bring Daniel back, when that failed which Rumple did conspire to create in his words: “HIs Monster”, Regina didn’t have no where else to go, she was trapped in the castle because of Cora’s tree spell, and she couldn’t leave despite her banishing Cora because a curse only lifts once the witch is dead. So the only way to break that bond was to kill the king, she was left with no choice, stuck being married to someone you didn’t love, and who only showed you off as a trophy, and being a mother to a girl who you despise.
She could have chosen to not use magic or to use it toward good. Instead she let it darken her heart. Let’s not forget that she has an entire vault full of human hearts. Rumple didn’t make her do that. Rumple gave her the curse and pointed her in the right direction but Regina had a perfect opportunity to turn back, to not kill Henry Sr and she still did it. Rumple was locked up in a cell at that point, that was all her.
and please note people on moment Regina said directly Henry was crazy, she went about the situation, another parent would if their children had “imaginary friends.
Henry: You ruined lives. You sent away Mary Margaret and Emma.
Regina: That was an accident.
Henry: The way you treated me wasn’t an accident. You made it so no one believed me. You made me feel like I was crazy.
Whether or not she said it is irrelevant. She made Henry feel like he was crazy and didn’t listen to her, going so far as taking the book from him and…poisoning him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@WickedRegal wrote:
So, basically, what you’re all is saying that, Regina has no holds to Henry. Wrong, because even Gold had documents for Ashley’s baby, and therefore, I’m pretty sure he had Regina sign LEGAL forms to obtain Henry, and despite the circumstances, under law of their contract, Henry is Regina’s son!
FYI, the curse is broken, so Regina could very well call authorities to arrest Snow’s Family, because they are seemingly holding Henry hostage,To which authorities would she go? If Rumple did have her sign any sort of legal form, (which I’m not convinced of), it wouldn’t be legit in the real world. Any such forms would have been filed through the SB judicial system, and as far as the rest of the world is concerned, SB doesn’t exist, so no legal matter dealt with in the SB system would be binding in the outside world. The names on the forms would have been of people who didn’t actually exist as far as the outside world is concerned, so the forms would be invalid. And in SB, the Charmings are the authorities themselves, so Regina can hardly tell them to arrest themselves.
and please note people on moment Regina said directly Henry was crazy, she went about the situation, another parent would if their children had “imaginary friends.” Get them some therapy, it was Henry’s viewpoints that she was making him out to be crazy which she wasn’t,
Except that Regina wasn’t a real world parent with a kid who had imaginary friends. She knew she was the EQ and her kid was onto the fact that she’d cursed the whole town and he wanted to expose her and bring everyone’s memories back, so she had to try and convince him, and everyone else, that he was nuts.
Yeah, if Gold had documents on Cinderella’s baby, they would probably be just like the ‘extensive’ records he keeps in his shop – like the one on Michael Tillman….it was a blank piece of paper.
Legal adoptions require an extensive background check and probably at least one visit to the prospective adoptor’s home.
That wasn’t possible in Regina’s case.
I seriously doubt Regina wanted that kind of attention.
Look how she reacted to Kurt and Owen being in SB.As far as the curse being broken and Regina being able to call authorities on the Charmings, NO she can’t.
There is no record of Storybrooke, Regina, Snow, David, etc.
Regina would have a lot of explaining to do if she did call the real world authorities.Okay, so storybrooke doesn’t exist to us, but in all honesty, I could care less if Henry would have died from poisoning or whatever, because he really is a selfish kid, you all saw how quickly he turned on Emma, the kid has mommy issues, and don’t dare blame Regina, because she did love him, and yes, she put him in therapy, but had she not been one to adopt him, and Emma kept him, Emma would have put him in therapy. The point is don’t none of you dare say Rgeina didn’t love Henry, she did, and she did it without having a mother’s love from her own experience, so Regina did a good job as a mom, with what she had! PS, Rumple isn’t the only one I think to blame along with Snow, where was the Blue Fairy when Regina was abused? And Regina, again is Henry’s First Mother, and the real most logical one. She poisoned him by accident, it was for Emma, personally, I’d let Emma take the brat and get out, but Regina loved her son. Also, Henry almost died because of your dear Charming Supervision of sneaking out the house, and getting a hold to dynamites! Charmings are beginners really to the whole parenting, except David because he actually managed to do good with over looking Henry, and giving Regina visitations which Emma and Snow fail to do so! Regina wanted to be free, but thanks to those who tore through her life, that freedom came with a price. Life killed a dream, Regina once dreamed.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Ok, first of all, what’s with the “Don’t dare (this or that)”?
We are all entitled to our opinion.
Secondly, it isn’t everyone else’s fault that Regina turned out the way she did.
She is not an innocent victim.
She’s a big girl who made her own decisions.
She may have been manipulated along the way, but, bottom line, she chose to do the things she did.
She could have stopped at any time.
She was selfish and out for revenge and killed people to get it.
She probably does love Henry.
Then again, she loved her father, too.Okay, so storybrooke doesn’t exist to us, but in all honesty, I could care less if Henry would have died from poisoning or whatever, because he really is a selfish kid, you all saw how quickly he turned on Emma, the kid has mommy issues, and don’t dare blame Regina, because she did love him, and yes, she put him in therapy, but had she not been one to adopt him, and Emma kept him, Emma would have put him in therapy.
He was only in therapy because he “awoke” from the Curse once he had the book. Had Emma kept him, he never would have been under the curse in the first place and wouldn’t have needed the book to realize what was going on, or even known about FTL and evil queen and Snow and Charming. Who knows what his life would have been like??
The point is don’t none of you dare say Rgeina didn’t love Henry, she did, and she did it without having a mother’s love from her own experience, so Regina did a good job as a mom, with what she had!
I don’t think anyone is going to say that Regina doesn’t love Henry, I think she loves him a great deal. But even she admits that she doesn’t know how to love well and until she learns how to be a mother without turning into Cora and trying to control Henry, then he needs to be elsewhere. Emma is not perfect at all, far far far from it, but she, like Regina, is trying to be worthy of Henry. But given Regina’s predilection for darkness and trying to murder people, he might be safer with the Charmings at present.
PS, Rumple isn’t the only one I think to blame along with Snow, where was the Blue Fairy when Regina was abused?
I’m with you on the Blue Fairy. I think Sneaky Fairy is Sneaky. But its been theorized that in order for Blue to step in, Regina had to ask for help from Blue.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay, so storybrooke doesn’t exist to us, but in all honesty, I could care less if Henry would have died from poisoning or whatever, because he really is a selfish kid, you all saw how quickly he turned on Emma, the kid has mommy issues, and don’t dare blame Regina, because she did love him, and yes, she put him in therapy, but had she not been one to adopt him, and Emma kept him, Emma would have put him in therapy.
So, your opinion is that Henry should have died from the poison because he is selfish? Okay, so this selfish kid, at the age of ten, left his home BY BUS, went to Boston, showed up at the apartment of Emma, convinced her to return to Storybrooke, all because he was selfish? Even when she didn’t believe him, he still patiently waited and helped her (and others) to see details of the curse time after time. That doesn’t sound like a selfish kid to me. He was the only one in Storybrooke who wasn’t cursed–all he had to do was grow up a few more years and then leave. And then this selfish kid willingly ate the poisoned turnover so that Emma wouldn’t eat it, and so she could see what Regina was doing. He did it so that everyone could escape the curse and have their happy endings. That sounds pretty self-less to me.
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