Still from the Episode – Snow and Regina

[Slurpeez]

I just re-watched that scene to make sure. It may have been Regina’s wedding day, Regina and Cora were dressed, but Regina pushed her mother though the mirror before the actual wedding had taken place. Cora was speaking in the future-tense, that Regina would be queen, not that she already was. After Regina pushed Cora through the mirror, she tried to flee before the wedding, but she decided to stay and learn magic from Rumple.

Cora: Look at you with your whole life ahead of you. And it’s going to be better than you can imagine. The King’s not a strong man. The kingdom will be yours. Raise the tributes, form a personal guard, let everyone know where the new power lies, and you’ll hold the hearts of your people in your hands.

Regina: Is that what you would do, Mother?

Cora: That’s exactly what I would do.

Regina: Well, the thing is, I don’t want to be you.

[RumplesGirl]

Regina will get a happy ending, I do believe that. But it’s going to be a long road. A very long road. And it should be! For her and Rumple too. They’ve done terrible horrible things and they need a very long bumpy mistake filled road to get to a happy ending. I know it seems like Rumple is well on his way, but I have no doubt that he is going to make a lot of errors before seires end. If they both had happy endings right now, the show would be over and I don’t want that at all.

And I’ll repeat what I said a few pages back about the EQ: she is much more fun than non EQ Regina. Lana does it so well that I just like her as the Evil Queen better.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[WickedRegal]

Thank you RumplesGirl for your honost opinion, and thank you Slurpez for going back over the episode, for I thought it was her wedding day. We all may have our differences and wants and needs for our favorite characters, such you two with Rumpelstilskin and Charmings, and myself with Queen Regina, but I’m glad we all want a happily ever after so we can see that Thanksgiving Mills-Gold-Charming-Swan Family Dinner episode full of fluff and feels!

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[drtslim]

Only one poster, that I’ve seen has said that Regina can’t be redeemed. In real life, she’d be in jail for the rest of her life; but this is a tv show. A well-written redemptive arc could certainly be believable for her. We see that from the beginning, Regina was a good (albeit somewhat weak) person, and that over the course of her life she has become something else in a large part due to the manipulations of Cora and Rumple. While they did manipulate her, Regina made her own decisions and she has the ultimate responsibility for her actions. We have also seen that the original Regina still exists within her. I never trusted her “reforming” earlier this season because it was pretty clear that her main motivation was external (Henry) and she had little internal (if any) motivation to do so. Also, there was an off-putting sense of entitlement as if she believed that everyone was supposed to automatically forgive her and forget all of the terrible things that she’d done to them. In Regina’s true redemptive arc, I hope to see some introspection and understanding of what she’s done and how far she’s turned fro the person that she used to and wanted to be. Then, we can see her actively making amends and slowly earning the trust of others around her (and not blaming others for their lack of trust in her).

[Slurpeez]

Regina probably will eventually be redeemed, but for Regina to find true happiness, she’ll need to give up dark magic. I believe that is the lesson she needs to keep with her: power doesn’t make a person happy, love does.That is how to win Henry’s heart, not through magic. Regina said in 2×2 that you can’t make a person love you:

Regina: I shouldn’t have brought you here. I was… I don’t know how to love very well. I wasn’t capable of it for a very long time, but I know I remember… If you hold onto someone too hard, that doesn’t make them love you. I’m sorry I lied to you. And that I made you feel like I didn’t know who you are. But I want you to be here, because you want to be here. Not because I forced you, and not because of magic.

Regina seemed to forget her own words in 2×17 with the Curse of the Broken Hearted which would’ve forced Henry to think he loves her. At least Henry talked her out of using that curse, but the reason he is wary of Regina is because of her unpredictable
nature. She’s stil struggling to resist dark magic.

WickedRegal wrote: the ONLY reason Emma, Charming, Snow, and Storybrooke aren’t dead, is because of little Henry, and the same could be said vice versa when Regina didn’t have her magic. But I guarantee, if there was no Henry, Regina would have been killed Snow and Charming, and there are other ways to kill The Saviour than ripping out hearts, and Regina has shown that.

I think you just demonstrated how evil Regina can be, since I agree she would murder the Charmings if it weren’t for Henry. Despite having been manipulated his entire life, he still tries to help Regina choose the right path. He is the one person who is keeping the tiny bit of goodness alive in her. Without Henry, Regina would be totally uncontrollable. It’s like the parental roles have been reversed.

Plus, Snow is not innocent, she tricked Regina into killing her mother, out of all the hearts in Regina’s vault, she used Cora’s to kill Rumple, Cora could have been a real mother for Regina, but Snow took that. Sounds like to me that’s saying “If i can’t have my mother, you can’t have yours.”

I never claimed Snow was innocent. Yet, let’s keep in mind Snow was acting in self-defense and in defense of her family because Cora wanted to murder all of them and become the next Dark One. Cora would have been truely unstoppable.

And yes, Regina did kill Leopold, and I will repeat this for Gypsy and Slurpez, it was to break Cora’s curse. Regina was trapped in the castle by the Tree spell, she couldn’t go anywhere for like 12 years, stuck in that castle in a loveless marriage, being a mother to a girl who betrayed your trust. So she had to do what she had to do, in the words of your dear and “always good, does no wrong” Rumple: “Desperate times, calls for desperate measures.”

Cora’s barrier spell was no longer in effect after Regina pushed her mother through the mirror into Wonderland. Regina was then free not to marry the king and to leave once and for all. The only reason she chose to stay is because she had a taste of magic and decided power was actually what she wanted after all.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[PriceofMagic]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Cora: Look at you with your whole life ahead of you. And it’s going to be better than you can imagine. The King’s not a strong man. The kingdom will be yours. Raise the tributes, form a personal guard, let everyone know where the new power lies, and you’ll hold the hearts of your people in your hands.

Regina: Is that what you would do, Mother?

Cora: That’s exactly what I would do.

Regina: Well, the thing is, I don’t want to be you.

Thanks for posting the scene. I still interpret that scene as Regina has just literally married Leopold and she and Cora are in her room on a break between the wedding ceremony and the reception. Cora never says “once you and the king are married” but it’s more a “now you’ve married the king”. Cora is being very friendly towards Regina in this scene and I think that is because Regina has just done what Cora wanted her to by marrying the king. Cora’s like “now you’ve married the king, this is what you need to do”

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Slurpeez]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Cora: Look at you with your whole life ahead of you. And it’s going to be better than you can imagine. The King’s not a strong man. The kingdom will be yours. Raise the tributes, form a personal guard, let everyone know where the new power lies, and you’ll hold the hearts of your people in your hands.

Regina: Is that what you would do, Mother?

Cora: That’s exactly what I would do.

Regina: Well, the thing is, I don’t want to be you.

Thanks for posting the scene. I still interpret that scene as Regina has just literally married Leopold and she and Cora are in her room on a break between the wedding ceremony and the reception. Cora never says “once you and the king are married” but it’s more a “now you’ve married the king”. Cora is being very friendly towards Regina in this scene and I think that is because Regina has just done what Cora wanted her to by marrying the king. Cora’s like “now you’ve married the king, this is what you need to do”

But, I think Regina would have been with King Leopold if she were just married, not alone with her mother. Cora certainly wouldn’t want to be in her daughter’s bedroom on Regina’s wedding night, since she’d want that marriage sealed through consummation. I really think the best way to interpret the scene is that it takes place before the actual ceremony since Regina is preparing herself for the wedding and Cora is giving her daughter last-minute advice before Regina becomes queen. Hence the “the kingdom will be yours” and not “the kingdom is now yours.”

In King Leopold’s castle, Regina is dressed in a beautiful, shimmering wedding gown. It is almost time for the wedding. Staring off at the balcony, Regina is pulled back into reality by her mother, who asks, “What’s this?” http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/We_Are_Both

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

And now I’m really confused about this scene. It’s night time when she pushed Cora through the mirror and then the next FTL scene is day and Regina is leaving because “that was always the plan” she tells Rumple. If she had just married the King and then pushed Cora through the mirror it wouldn’t make any sense for her to wait until morning given that Leopold would want to consummate the marriage BUT if she was about to marry the king and pushed Cora through the mirror before the wedding, it still wouldn’t make any sense because she was always planning on leaving once Cora was gone so why stay and marry the king.

The line “the kingdom will be yours” does seem to indicate that the marriage hadn’t happened yet except when you take it in conjunction with the preceding line “the king is not a strong man” which I think we are supposed to. Cora is telling Regina that because the king is not strong therefore Regina will be the true ruler of the land. I don’t know if it has anything to do with a time reference. But why on earth would Regina have stayed and married the King if Cora is gone and her plan was to leave.

So either there is a flaw in the writing or we’re missing something.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

But, I think Regina would have been with King Leopold if she were just married, not alone with her mother. Cora certainly wouldn’t want to be in her daughter’s bedroom on Regina’s wedding night, since she’d want that marriage sealed through consummation. I really think the best way to interpret the scene is that it takes place before the actual ceremony since Regina is preparing herself for the wedding and Cora is giving her daughter last-minute advice before Regina becomes queen. Hence the “the kingdom will be yours” and not “the kingdom is now yours.”

Not necessarily. Regina may have been changing out of her wedding dress for the reception. The wedding night would come after the reception. The whole “kingdom will be yours” thing I think Cora meant when Leopold had snuffed it. As the new queen the kingdom would be Regina’s. Leopold probably lasted a lot longer than Cora thought he would.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

I almost think this is a moot point. It played out one of two ways

1) Regina had JUST married the King, pushed Cora through the mirror, tried to leave and then changed her mind and returned

2) She had NOT married the King, pushed Cora through the mirror, married the King, tried to leave and then changed her mind.

Frankly, one sounds less complicated but at any rate, she chose to stay with Leopold and learn magic when she’s claimed all along that she just wanted freedom.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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