Suicide Squad Movie

[PriceofMagic]

So WB released the trailer for the new Suicide Squad movie, that is due to be released next August, because some people pirated it from comic con and shared it on the web. Since WB couldn’t contain the footage, they released officially released the trailer.

I’m excited for this movie, I think it looks great but here’s the question: Is it a good thing to get people excited for a movie this far in advance and or is it better to wait until nearer the actual movie’s release date and then capitalise on that anticipation?

[RumplesGirl]

I’ll try to answer your question after some thoughts:

1) Harley Quinn is perfection and I’m kind of in love with her right now.

2) I utterly reject Will Smith as Deadshot (for other fandom reasons, and to stand in solidarity with Phee)

3) No one is going to top Heath Ledger as the Joker and my brain can’t make Ledger’s Joker and Leto’s Joker match up. (seriously…where are the scars?)

4) Viola Davis as Amanda Waller…good choice there.

5) I’m hoping it will be good. It has a lot of promise and potential.

Is it a good thing to get people excited for a movie this far in advance and or is it better to wait until nearer the actual movie’s release date and then capitalise on that anticipation?

Depends on which side of the line you are on. It’s going to be a success no matter when they start advertising. It’s a blockbuster. But could it be a mega blockbuster without early adverts? Maybe, maybe not. If Hollywood wants as much bang for their buck as they can get (and it’s Hollywood, so of course they do) then they advertise early to build a frenzy. For audience it might get annoying to only get tiny things in piecemeal when we really just want the movie, but that’s the nature of the advertising beast.

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[MatthewPaul]

3) No one is going to top Heath Ledger as the Joker and my brain can’t make Ledger’s Joker and Leto’s Joker match up. (seriously…where are the scars?)

Mark Hamill is the definitive Joker for me from Batman the Animated Series. Granted, he’s only performed the Joker as a voice actor, but he still gave an amazing performance.

[TheWatcher]

1) Harley Quinn is perfection and I’m kind of in love with her right now.

THIS!!!!!!!!! GOOD LORD, I had my doubts about the actress but i am excited!

3) No one is going to top Heath Ledger as the Joker and my brain can’t make Ledger’s Joker and Leto’s Joker match up. (seriously…where are the scars?)

Well they arent in the same continuties right? I heard this was in the continuity of Man of Steel and such, So they arent supposed to be the same interpretation of the Joker. And while I did love Heath as Joker, i hope Leto does bring something new to the table. I am not so big a fan of this joker yet though just based on what i have seen so far.
I wll see this film even though i have never heard the suicide squad beforehand

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[Phee]

2) I utterly reject Will Smith as Deadshot (for other fandom reasons, and to stand in solidarity with Phee)

Bless you! The other day I caught up with a friend, we sat at a picnic table in which someone had carved the word “sniper” which resulted in me saying, “Awwww, like Deadshot,” and moments later I was ranting about stupid DC/WB. 😛 For those who have no idea what RG and I are talking about, basically, DC are keeping their TV and movie universes separate, meaning that two different versions of the one character can technically exist because they’re not contradicting each other. Despite this, the higher ups forced the show Arrow to “kill off”, (no body, no death, but the building he was standing on exploded and then the showrunner said the character was “off the table for the nonce”), their version of the character Deadshot, who had been a recurring character since the third ep of the show, and has a close connection to one of the main characters, John Diggle, (Deadshot and Diggle’s relationship means so much and is so important, OK), because an organisation called HIVE hired him to assassinate Diggle’s brother. Finally, next season, they’re getting around to delving into the HIVE story, and this is the point in time when TPTB at DC/WB have told TPTB at Arrow that they’re not allowed to use Deadshot any more. It’s…words I can’t say in this forum.

Higher ups have also vetoed the use of Harley in the show, (she had a very brief cameo but then they were told they couldn’t use her). They had Katana in the show last season, but shuffled her back off to her life of obscurity, and it’s surely no coincidence that that character is also in the SS movie. The show has also sidelined their version of Captain Boomerang, (not even namechecking him in a scene where he was talked about), who could have been a cool recurring character if they’d been allowed to keep having the SS on the show. As someone who doesn’t read comics, I discovered that the SS was a thing because it was on Arrow, so I was excited for the movie due to the show, but then the movie had an adverse affect on the show, which shouldn’t be a thing because like I said, separate universes, so can they please bugger off and leave our established characters and stories alone, so now I’m bitter to the point of not wanting to see the movie.

BLAH, sorry for getting ranty, it’s just a thing that I can’t help but rant about any time I get even remotely started on the topic.

Anyway, Viola Davis is inspired casting for Waller.

Margot Robbie is looking like a cool and creepy Harley, and it seems they’ll be flashing back to her normal life before the Joker screwed her up, which should make for a tragic story.

Heath Ledger’s Joker is gonna be a hard act to follow, but it seems that Leto is the type of actor who’ll go all in for the role and produce a compelling take on the character.

Is it a good thing to get people excited for a movie this far in advance and or is it better to wait until nearer the actual movie’s release date and then capitalise on that anticipation?

Feed the masses tidbits to keep them talking. Vids and pics of the filming have been leaking, so they gave the people something official to start talking about too. There’s no way they weren’t gonna officially release this trailer after SDCC. Everyone knows that things that are shown at SDCC end up on youtube, and they would have been counting on it so they could kick up a faux stink about the piracy and then act like they were grudgingly forced to release the trailer for everyone. It’s all orchestrated for the hype.

People were already excited for and talking about this movie because it’s always a big deal when the Joker is appearing in live action. Harley is also a character with a huge following, and this movie is her first live action portrayal, (not counting the 3 second appearance on Arrow where we didn’t even see her face and no one addressed her by her name…though apparently they shot stuff of her and Deadshot snarking at each other, which would have been glorious, and now I’m trying not to rant again :-P), so the anticipation for the movie is huge because of that. Releasing the first official trailer this early is just feeding the hype that was already bubbling away, so it wouldn’t start to die down.

[PriceofMagic]

1) Harley Quinn is perfection and I’m kind of in love with her right now.

I’m looking forward to finally seeing Harley Quinn on screen. She’s been my favourite “Batman” character since the Batman: The Animated Series days. The fact that they also have the Joker in the movie and look like they’ll be showing some of their time together is a bonus. Harley/Joker was one of the first ships I ever shipped.

3) No one is going to top Heath Ledger as the Joker

I used to think that (and still think the Dark Knight rises would’ve been a better movie if it wasn’t for the big Joker shaped hole in it, there was an actual place for the Joker in that storyline but alas it couldn’t be). Anyway, I just have a gut feeling that Jared Leto is going to rock it as the Joker and at the very least will be compared favourably to Heath Ledger’s Joker. It’s a different take but I think it needs to be.

I also think Jared Leto has a harder job than Heath Ledger did. Ledger had to follow the likes of Jack Nicholson and Mark Hamill’s animated Joker, whilst that in itself was difficult to do as for many that was the set standard, Ledger had the benefit that it was 20+ years after Nicholson and that mainstream audiences wouldn’t have necessarily seen Hamill’s animated Joker as he was in a cartoon which at the time was viewed as children’s television. Also Ledger’s take on the character and the movie universe he would be in was more gritty so there was enough to separate him from what had gone before.

Jared Leto has to contend with the fact that everyone has probably seen the Dark Knight, and now Ledger’s Joker has become the standard. It’s also only been 8 years since we saw Ledger’s Joker by the time the movie comes out. Also, Suicide Squad looks to be less gritty than the Nolanverse and more fun, so Leto’s Joker isn’t going to be the same as Ledger’s.

Time will tell and everyone will have their own individual opinion on how Leto’s Joker compares to Ledger’s Joker.

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Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

re the Leto/Ledger thing:

–the movies are in different continuities but it’s still a little bit dis-jarring. It’s hard to erase the previously established version (who was phenomenal) from your mind. Sort of like how I’m not going to be able to see any sort of Flash movie when DC rolls it out because it won’t be Grant Gustin and OMG NO.

–Leto is a good actor and based on Dallas Buyers Club will do just about anything to get into the role. I don’t doubt that he’ll do a fine job but like I said, I don’t think he’s going to be able to tap into the crazy yet utterly brilliant way that Ledger did it. His Joker seems a little bit more….in control. In the end I just prefer my Joker to be a wee bit more unhinged.

 

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[PriceofMagic]

I’ve seen speculation that Joker tortures Harley into becoming Harley Quinn and some scenes in the trailer seem to support that (the “I’m not going to kill you, I’m just going to hurt you really really bad” scene plus a shot of who looks to be Harley pre-Harley strapped down on a table with the Joker’s hands in shot).

Whilst there could be more to the scene than appears, Joker torturing Harley into becoming Harley Quinn seems to go against the very foundation of Harley’s character in that she CHOSE to become Harley Quinn because she was in love with the Joker. In the trailer, we also see a glimpse of Harley’s and Joker’s time together (the car chase/ “hope you’ve got insurance”) which again seems to be at odds with how Harley became Harley Quinn.

Harley always provokes the question, in regards to the Joker, “Is the Joker capable of love?” If he is, he certainly is not able to express it in a healthy way but he does seem to hold some level of affection for Harley. He keeps her around and doesn’t kill her, but at the same time, it could be argued that he doesn’t like feeling affection towards her hence why he mistreats her so because he doesn’t know how to deal with his feelings for her. It also similar to how Joker act towards Batman. Joker loves fighting Batman and will try and kill him, but he’d be lost if Batman truly was dead.

It could be theorised that Joker sees his torture of Harley as a grand romantic gesture in his warped mind in that he is freeing her from the confines of morality and sanity which in turn would also make Harley’s attitude towards him post-transformation makes sense as well. However this would go against the “I’m not going to kill you, I’m just going to hurt you really really bad” line.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see since the movie is still over a year away.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[TheWatcher]

Harley always provokes the question, in regards to the Joker, “Is the Joker capable of love?”

This is a good question. I think I somewhat see the Joker and Harley like Voldemort and Bellatrix in a way, in the sense that Joker doesn’t really have any REAL feelings towards her (if she died, he’d move on without a moments notice) but she gets the closest thing that he can muster to real affection for another human being.
Even Voldemort, who is incapable of feeling love, expressed some degree of feeling when Bellatrix died (i guess you could say he…FLEW OFF THE HANDLE 😛 get it? Cause..wizard…nevermind) so he felt something for her. And i think its that for Joker too.
They (voldei and Joker) don’t “love” them but they come the closest any other human being will come to that feeling when it comes to Harley and Bella.
Harley is more than the common expendable mook or minion to him, but he won’t sacrifice his life for her.

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[PriceofMagic]

PriceofMagic wrote:

Harley always provokes the question, in regards to the Joker, “Is the Joker capable of love?”

This is a good question. I think I somewhat see the Joker and Harley like Voldemort and Bellatrix in a way, in the sense that Joker doesn’t really have any REAL feelings towards her (if she died, he’d move on without a moments notice) but she gets the closest thing that he can muster to real affection for another human being.
Even Voldemort, who is incapable of feeling love, expressed some degree of feeling when Bellatrix died (i guess you could say he…FLEW OFF THE HANDLE get it? Cause..wizard…nevermind) so he felt something for her. And i think its that for Joker too.
They (voldei and Joker) don’t “love” them but they come the closest any other human being will come to that feeling when it comes to Harley and Bella.
Harley is more than the common expendable mook or minion to him, but he won’t sacrifice his life for her.

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I would say this is pretty accurate.

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