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Sunken Castle
I found this on Google
Is a German Fairy Tale with a Sunken Castle Underground…
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Who_Was_Hidden_UndergroundAnd this other link about a Cave and a Castle
http://www.old-portlethen.co.uk/Cave%20%26%20Castle.htm
Is a quite extended article (so much to read)[attachment=1:2z8q8fgx]castle underground.jpg[/attachment:2z8q8fgx]
One of the paragraphs says:
“The daughter of the house (Muchalls Castle) had a lover that was a smuggler who sailed the continent in pursuit of illegal contraband. One day, having sighted her lover’s vessel out at sea, she rushed to the underground passageway to be at the cave entrance to meet him when he rowed ashore. However on her way she stumbled, fell into the water, and was washed out to sea on the strong tide. Her lover discovered her body the next day near to the entrance of the cave.
Since that time some guests staying at Muchalls Castle have caught a glimpse of a young girl dressed in a yellowish frock, brushing her hair in front of a mirror. It would appear that this is the ghost of the girl re-enacting her final preparations before rushing down to the underground passageway to meet her returning boyfriend many years before.
Other myths abound about the castle and the cave. One legend, told in the Aberdeen Free Press in 1896, has it that a piper once entered the passageway whilst playing his bagpipes and had never returned. Occasionally, and without explanation, the sound of the pipes has been heard in the vicinity of Muchalls. Another vague theory stated that a further two men had entered the cave to explore it, and like the piper, they too never returned.”Hints:
The Daughter of the House *Equal= Red/Rubyunderground passageway to be at the cave entrance = The Part of the Sunken Castle / Anita’s Wolf Club Entrance
young girl dressed in a yellowish frock = (Parallel situacion) Ruby’s Red Cloak
that a piper once entered the passageway = (Parallel Situation) Might be Snow entering the Anita’s Wolf Club when she finally find Red in there
A further two men had entered the cave to explore it = (Parallel Situation) The Queen’s Army entering and killed Quinn with an arrow
they too never returned.” = Because the Queen’s Army they were all killed by Anita’s Pack
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About Anita’s Name
Also what i found in the above link by clicking on The Violet Fairy Book Link in that article http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Viol … #section_3
In the very first picture they mention Rumplestiltskin and if u read that article it says
“According to Anita Silvey, “The irony of Lang’s life and work is that although he wrote for a profession—literary criticism; fiction; poems; books and articles on anthropology, mythology, history, and travel … he is best recognized for the works he did not write.”
Anita Sulvey is an Editor and Literary Critic of Children’s Books.. So Anita stablish that Critic to Andrew Lang the writer of many Fairy books including that German Story about the castle called “The Princess who was Hidden Underground” Story… So maybe is a link there of Ruby’s Mother name “Anita” came from…
Anyway it would be wonderful to check Andrew’s Lang Books His books are divided by colors (Blue, Pink, Violet, Gray Fairy Book and a lots of colors Pack Sets), aah is fantastic just reading the titles of thousands Fairy Tales that are in each of those Books…
Or i found another theory about Anita name that maybe is linked up to Anita Blake i’m not familiar about her. She is a Fictional Character on Laurell K. Hamilton Books like “Anita Blake:Vampire Hunter Book Saga” the only thing i know, that she is a Vampire Hunter and has to do with Warewolves and obviously Vampires but i don’t know if she was a warewolf or not?…
[attachment=0:2z8q8fgx]anita-blake-200.jpg[/attachment:2z8q8fgx]
but Anita’s name is a poor investigation i found…
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Anyway this is just a theory and a Source i found that i can link to it for Ruby’s back Story and that sunken castle, that can also use as a cave but on that story tale “it was a cave”…[adrotate group="5"]Interesting
One little thing: “The Princess Who was hidden Underground” is not a German fairy tale (A. Lang wasn’t detailed about his resources, unfortunately.) It seems to be a Greek fairy tale, found the text in a German book about Greek and Albanian Fairy Tales from 1918. For those able to read German: Johann Georg von Hahn: Griechische und Albanesische Märchen
It doesn’t say though, that it was a sunken castle. The father of the princess build a castle underground and locked his beautiful daughter up in there.
Don’t remember so far any tales about sunken castles on land, only tales of sunken villages, towns, and castle in lakes or in the sea. Maybe something from “One Thousand and One Nights”, Aladdin, Sindbad?
Concering Anita: In their podcast Horowitz/Kitsis tell, that the title of the episode was inspired by the song “Child of the Moon” by the Rolling Stones, released as B-Track of Jumpin’ Jack Flash” in 1968. The design of the den too was a reference to the Stones, as they say, the Stones went in 1967 on a trip to Morroco. The actress and designer Anita Pallenberg had a relationship with Stones’ guitarist Brian Jones, which ended on that trip to Morroco, she left with Keith Richard, and they stayed a couple for 12 years. Maybe just a coincidence, but makes me think, that the name of Ruby’s mother could be a nod to Anita Pallenberg. (and then there is Ruby Tuesday, another Stones’ song … should hear some Rolling Stones again, haven’t done for a while)
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@myril wrote:
Interesting
One little thing: “The Princess Who was hidden Underground” is not a German fairy tale (A. Lang wasn’t detailed about his resources, unfortunately.) It seems to be a Greek fairy tale, found the text in a German book about Greek and Albanian Fairy Tales from 1918. For those able to read German: Johann Georg von Hahn: Griechische und Albanesische Märchen
It doesn’t say though, that it was a sunken castle. The father of the princess build a castle underground and locked his beautiful daughter up in there.
Don’t remember so far any tales about sunken castles on land, only tales of sunken villages, towns, and castle in lakes or in the sea. Maybe something from “One Thousand and One Nights”, Aladdin, Sindbad?
Concering Anita: In their podcast Horowitz/Kitsis tell, that the title of the episode was inspired by the song “Child of the Moon” by the Rolling Stones, released as B-Track of Jumpin’ Jack Flash” in 1968. The design of the den too was a reference to the Stones, as they say, the Stones went in 1967 on a trip to Morroco. The actress and designer Anita Pallenberg had a relationship with Stones’ guitarist Brian Jones, which ended on that trip to Morroco, she left with Keith Richard, and they stayed a couple for 12 years. Maybe just a coincidence, but makes me think, that the name of Ruby’s mother could be a nod to Anita Pallenberg. (and then there is Ruby Tuesday, another Stones’ song … should hear some Rolling Stones again, haven’t done for a while)
Please click on this link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Who_Was_Hidden_Underground and it says a German Fairy Tale not Greek… and also on that article says:
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground is a German fairy tale. Andrew Lang included it in The Violet Fairy Book.[1]
SynopsisA king had three sons and divided his property. The older two squandered theirs, but the youngest son was prudent, and became rich. He had an underground castle built, killed the architect, imprisoned his daughter there, and decreed that whoever could find her would marry her, but whoever tried and failed would die. Many did die.
and here is another link about that tale
http://www.mythfolklore.net/andrewlang/054.htmSo i was talking about that castle he built underground, was my first theory
so i found the other story about the Cave&Castle is another theory…which over the time people could build a town above the castle without knowing that there was a castle and with the weight of the new city, the castle possibly sank by itself…@Lady of The Lake wrote:
Please click on this link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Who_Was_Hidden_Underground and it says a German Fairy Tale not Greek… and also on that article says:
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground is a German fairy tale. Andrew Lang included it in The Violet Fairy Book.[1]
SynopsisA king had three sons and divided his property. The older two squandered theirs, but the youngest son was prudent, and became rich. He had an underground castle built, killed the architect, imprisoned his daughter there, and decreed that whoever could find her would marry her, but whoever tried and failed would die. Many did die.
and here is another link about that tale
http://www.mythfolklore.net/andrewlang/054.htmWikipedia isn’t always right in every detail. The book I found the exact wording of the fairy tale in German in was first published in 1864 by Johann Georg von Hahn, who, besides being a diplomat for Prussia and later Austria in Athen, was a specialist in Albanian history and culture. He places the tale among other tales from the region of Epirus. The online version I linked to is based on an edition from 1918 though. The Violet Fairy Book by Andrew Lang was first published in 1901 – stating as “source” for this particular fairy tale nothing besides “from German” (and both links, Wikipedia and the other refer to Andrew Lang)
Of course fairy Tales can be found in variations in different countries, it’s often not easy to tell, where they might have originated. And sometimes different fairy tales sound very alike. But so far I haven’t found any fairy tale alike or close to “The Princess Who was hidden Underground” in any older German fairy tale anthology.
Sorry for being so scholarly here. Having a thing for such unimportant details.
Should stop no one to look for interesting tales that might give ideas for the background of the sunken palace / castle used as den. Of course not.
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@myril wrote:
@Lady of The Lake wrote:
Please click on this link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Who_Was_Hidden_Underground and it says a German Fairy Tale not Greek… and also on that article says:
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground is a German fairy tale. Andrew Lang included it in The Violet Fairy Book.[1]
SynopsisA king had three sons and divided his property. The older two squandered theirs, but the youngest son was prudent, and became rich. He had an underground castle built, killed the architect, imprisoned his daughter there, and decreed that whoever could find her would marry her, but whoever tried and failed would die. Many did die.
and here is another link about that tale
http://www.mythfolklore.net/andrewlang/054.htmWikipedia isn’t always right in every detail. The book I found the exact wording of the fairy tale in German in was first published in 1864 by Johann Georg von Hahn, who, besides being a diplomat for Prussia and later Austria in Athen, was a specialist in Albanian history and culture. He places the tale among other tales from the region of Epirus. The online version I linked to is based on an edition from 1918 though. The Violet Fairy Book by Andrew Lang was first published in 1901 – stating as “source” for this particular fairy tale nothing besides “from German” (and both links, Wikipedia and the other refer to Andrew Lang)
Of course fairy Tales can be found in variations in different countries, it’s often not easy to tell, where they might have originated. And sometimes different fairy tales sound very alike. But so far I haven’t found any fairy tale alike or close to “The Princess Who was hidden Underground” in any older German fairy tale anthology.
Sorry for being so scholarly here. Having a thing for such unimportant details.
Should stop no one to look for interesting tales that might give ideas for the background of the sunken palace / castle used as den. Of course not.
Ur right wikipedia not always is certain, we can’t be so sure where the Tale originally is from. Though both investigations are interestings no matter how scholarly can be 😀
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