SwanFire

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I just started out, ouatswanfirescarf and mainly just use it so I can save cool stuff and send them to my friends lol. I probably “reblog” everything you post.

Well, now I’m going to have to start following and reblogging you! It’s always amazing to have Swanfire on my dash! 😀

I loved the Emma/Neal moments last night – how they didn’t over power everything else going on but the actors managed to convey so much! If all we have for awhile (seasons even!) are these subtle, but well done, moments – I’m going to be a very happy shipper. It’s moments like that that I find so beautiful and power.

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@dena81 wrote:

@KFChimera wrote:

@dena81 wrote:

My theory? Somehow August arranged it with Neal to protect her or something like that. So he’s playing the boyfriend/fiancee etc Why? because the filming pics where August and Neal are talking, Tamara doesn't look like she's watching them, it's almost like they're staked out there for her So, the whole coffee bit is setup and that’s why when he sees Emma he’s like “It’s complicated” because I’m sure he wants to be like “I want to tell you the whole story so you don’t think I moved on because I haven’t” After all why did they use that wording? Why did Ausiello focus on that word as did JMo in her interview? Complicated is not what you use to describe, hey it’s been 11 years and I just moved on and fell in love with someone else, sorry. I know some thought it was complicated due to her not being magical which i still don’t believe, there’s too much emphasis. And he’s stuck in this role but he probably cares about Tamara in a way and he also has to keep up the pretense of her protector or whatever and you can’t just say “Oh HAI THIS IS THE COMPLICATED THING” cuz then Tamara will be all “Huh?” so there’s something I think he knwos more of that we havent’ found out yet.

The phrase “It’s complicated” is almost a cliche phrase that people use when talking about romantic triangles. There’s even a movie along those lines, titled It’s complicated. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1230414/. So Neal’s “it’s compllicated” may actually not be THAT complex as some big conspiracy. But on this show…we never know!

Which would insinuate that he thinks he’s in a love triangle. This is when he’s first seen her after almost 11 years. You don’t tell your ex that you’ve just seen after a decade “It’s complicate” just to insinuate a love triangle…there’s more to it and honestly the spoilers out with Eddy’s answers about Tamara being involved in a love triangle and them skirting around how we’re going to love her part in the whole story and NEVER using the word love triangle or referencing her as interfering with the two, and the fact they are still saying the rest of this season is Neal and Emma figuring out “what now” with the fact they are both still in love with each other, tells me a very, very different story.

I don’t disagree with that interpretation of how Emma and Neal feel, but I don’t think THAT scene was designed to show us that Neal is only in love with Emma and has no feelings for Tamara, nor Tamara for Neal and that there is a big conspiracy going on.

I thought the simplest explanation of that scene was the writers wanted to introduce the character of Tamara, and that the writers (not any of the characters in the scene) wanted to imply there is a romantic triangle of some kind. Even if Neal and Emma are still in love with each other, there is still a triangle if Tamara is in love with Neal. Or if Neal loves both Tamara and Emma, but Emma really has moved on and doesn’t love Neal.

I don’t think Neal the character was trying to “insinuate” that there was a love triangle. I thought the character was hesitant to reveal that he has a fiance to Emma. Now why he felt that way was something I think the writers intended to be unclear.

They could have had him be direct and say “this is my Fiance’s car” from the start. They could have given him more time to clarify what he felt was complicated. Instead, they have Tamara appear right away. So if the writers wanted to make clear that Neal is only in love with Emma, and she is only in love with him, the writers would have written the scene differently. Instead, we get this scene where Emma and Neal’s exact feelings are not discussed. Yes, it is a show with a lot of layers and mysteries, and it could be that when Neal says “it’s complicated” he means it is really crazy, magically, convoluted and complicated. Or it might be, as I took it, that he is feeling conflicted about revealing that he has moved on.

Now that the next episode has aired, we get a little follow up, that in my view, is still consistent with my interpretation of that scene. Neal kind of cautiously tries to bring the subject of his engagement up again. I can’t remember exactly what he said (something like he wasn’t trying to hide the fact he was engaged) and then we see Emma’s reaction. While some might take her statement that she doesn’t care if someone she dated 11 years ago is engaged at face value, if you are rooting for SwanFire, you can view what she said as that she is hurt and putting up a wall by saying that in return.

I see both interpretations of Emma’s response as valid right now until the writers give us more. Neither scene was long enough for me to be sure of how the characters feel about each other. But I do think, given the circumstances they were in, that Emma’s father and mother were there, Gold was dying, Regina and Cora about to attack, that Emma wouldn’t have wanted to open up and really discuss her feelings with Neal.

Characters don’t seem as real if they are shown as always fully aware and in control of their own emotions. Plus, having uncertainty in the mind of a character preserves mystery for the viewers, and it can make characters seem more complex. Too much though, and the character simply seems inconsistent, so there is a fine line. In Season 1 for example, Snow has to almost badger Emma into admitting that Emma is attracted to Graham. In return, Emma needles Snow a lot about Snow’s feelings for David. Or the whole storyline with Regina’s “redemption tour”. Regina wanted to redeem herself, but later on, under her mother’s influence, she began to question if that was what she really wanted.
So Emma might not still feel something for Neal, or she may but be in denial. Or she might not NOW, but did before, and might again as the season progresses.
I just see a lot of possibility right now with where things can go.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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