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@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Love how Neal noticed the keychain around her neck too. He might believe her line about keeping it to remind herself not to trust, but how will she explain the car? She actually still loves him too. Love how he went to protect her from Rumple, and the ‘bad impression’ that they were talking about in the spoilers was Rumple threatening Emma.
I think that her line about trust was something she thought of on the spur of the moment (Anton used something similar with the magic bean around his neck and we’ve just seen Tiny…I don’t think that was a coincidence). She may still have feelings for him but she’s too angry to admit that right now and it’s way too soon. And no matter how she might feel deep down her number one priority was Henry.
From her perspective she had to protect Henry from the bad guy and the bad guy’s father who was even worse. Even after hearing what Neal had to say(and no I don’t think he did a great job explaining) she still sees Neal as the guy who played her…and yeah I get that …she has spent all this time thinking that is what he did…one conversation is not going to suddenly change her opinion and see him in a new light never the less I was disappointed in how she described Neal to Henry.
I actually think if there was anything out of the whole thing that might have proven to her that Neal had really loved her and she had meant something to him it was when she found the dreamcatcher.
I do want to say this though…the Milah/Rumple storyline kind of paralleled the Emma/Neal one. Milah and Emma both reacted to Rumple and Nealfire in the same way when it came to them taking advice…Rumple from the Seer and Nealfire from Pinocchio. Both storylines find a new son at the end of them.(Baby Bae and Henry). I just hope the romances don’t parallel one another…but then again the Neal and Emma romance has also paralleled Snow and PCs…and since it was their daughter that got them back together by breaking the curse…I’m thinking Henry will have something to do with bringing Emma and Neal back together.
[adrotate group="5"]Maybe the UPS trick she pulled was something he taught her. That way, he may not have known it was her, but he knew it was someone hiding their real identity. Which would only be true if he wasn’t expecting a package from UPS.
@Elle wrote:
Some people on tumblr seemed convinced that Neal is no longer in love with–but it seems better that they are not falling over each other. Emma is hurt. Baelfire has a lot to deal with–just found out his has a son, Emma hates his guts, and his father still looks to magic to solve his problems and has clearly not learned.
People generally see what they want to see. I think in the beginning that Neal was fishing around to see if Emma still might have feelings for him, when he said he thought that maybe something good may have come from them being together. If she had said “yes maybe there was” (even if she hadn’t told him about Henry) I think he would have taken that as an indication that she still felt something for him. It is probably the only time during the night I saw a glimmer of that insecurity(for fear of what she might say) that I saw in the hotel room with Emma when he was suggesting that it was time for them to get a place and settle down. So yeah I think in the very beginning he really was hoping she might have some feelings for him which means he probably does still have feelings for her.
He really even wasn’t willing to give up the hope that something was there until she ripped off the key chain necklace and gave it to him…I think then and only then did he believe that she hated him..and it was only then that he would make the suggestion that she let him go and “she would never have to see him again”.
Honestly maybe Nealfire is right about all the fate and destiny stuff because it really should have ended right there. But …we get the whole baby’s daddy scene…I did not like it when Emma told Henry not to tell Neal his age…she went out of her way to keep it from Neal and then essentially told Henry that Neal was a bad guy (not true…even the writers said that he and Emma were stealing to survive).
I get it…she was angry…she was upset…Neal is her only target so he’s getting the brunt of it…but I swear he didn’t look mad when she finally admitted that he was Henry’s father. He was mad later…yeah…but I wouldn’t be surprised if the revealing of Henry as his son may have given him hope that he and Emma might eventually get back together (at least from what I saw in this episode…at this point though I doubt Emma is thinking the same thing).
I do wonder if protecting Henry from Neal(and Rumple) had not been a consideration if Emma would have been so harsh…she found out that she had not been played…I know that doesn’t erase the hurt but it should have been a step in the right direction. I also wonder if her bigger fear may not have been that if Neal comes into Henry’s life then he’s going to abandon him just like he did her. Hopefully more answers on March 3.
The bit before the Nealfire and Henry scene is bothering me.
It’s the part where Emma tells Neal that Henry wants to talk to him. And he says something along the lines of, “Trust me, I won’t do to him what he did to me”. Then Emma replies, “And what you did to me?” Then Neal says: “All right we all messed up. Let’s try to avoid that with him shall we?” And then Emma gets this really worried look on her face.
Well….The crappy truth is that Emma did let Henry go. And she did so knowingly. Neal obviously doesn’t know about Henry’s adoption at this point…I wonder how he’ll react when he finds out?
@Naomi wrote:
The bit before the Nealfire and Henry scene is bothering me.
It’s the part where Emma tells Neal that Henry wants to talk to him. And he says something along the lines of, “Trust me, I won’t do to him what he did to me”. Then Emma replies, “And what you did to me?” Then Neal says: “All right we all messed up. Let’s try to avoid that with him shall we?” And then Emma gets this really worried look on her face.
Well….The crappy truth is that Emma did let Henry go. And she did so knowingly. Neal obviously doesn’t know about Henry’s adoption at this point…I wonder how he’ll react when he finds out?
Neal didn’t say “we all messed up” he says “we are all messed up” as in he and Emma have been victims of circumstance and have suffered, as a consequence they too have made mistakes. He may not have made the connection yet, but Emma gave birth when she was in jail, so actually did not give Henry up willingly. She would not have had a choice. If she had let him become a ward of the court, she probably knew how much worse that would have been compared to adoption.
The truth is “for whatever reason good or bad” all three, Rumple, Emma, and Neal abandoned someone…their child or their girl and so far the only one that has really been forgiving is Henry. I do think Henry forgiving Emma in the first place went a long way in bringing Emma to the place where she could forgive Snow and PC. That kid has an affect and that’s why I think Rumple’s undoing may have more to do with him ceasing to be the Dark One than him dying.
@Mich7 wrote:
The truth is “for whatever reason good or bad” all three, Rumple, Emma, and Neal abandoned someone…their child or their girl and so far the only one that has really been forgiving is Henry. I do think Henry forgiving Emma in the first place went a long way in bringing Emma to the place where she could forgive Snow and PC. That kid has an affect and that’s why I think Rumple’s undoing may have more to do with him ceasing to be the Dark One than him dying.
And, let’s not forget that we learned that Rumple had been abandoned by his father too. They all need some pretty intensive therapy. But joking aside, those that have been abandoned often abandon people because it’s all they know. It’s a cycle.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah…forgot about Rumple and his dad…I thought we were supposed to actually see a flashback of that…of course after this episode I kind of wonder if the prophecy wasn’t a self-fulfilling one. They did tell Rumple the seer was crafty (or something to that affect)…the Dark One tricked Rumple into taking his power and the seer essentially did the same (though it took a while to get to that point). Neither the Zoso or the Seer wanted their powers anymore. lol and I guess Nealfire takes after his dad in that area as well…about listening to people that he doesn’t know very well and taking their advice (Pinocchio).
@Mich7 wrote:
Yeah…forgot about Rumple and his dad…I thought we were supposed to actually see a flashback of that…of course after this episode I kind of wonder if the prophecy wasn’t a self-fulfilling one. They did tell Rumple the seer was crafty (or something to that affect)…the Dark One tricked Rumple into taking his power and the seer essentially did the same (though it took a while to get to that point). Neither the Zoso or the Seer wanted their powers anymore. lol and I guess Nealfire takes after his dad in that area as well…about listening to people that he doesn’t know very well and taking their advice (Pinocchio).
Yeah, after being tricked by the Seer you would think Rumple would have been on his guard for other people trying to play on his desperation. 😀
The way Rumple talked about his father he made it sound like his father and his cowardice was well known. I wonder if Baelfire knew his Grandfather or what he did to Rumple. Also, really want to met this Spinsters."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Mich7 wrote:
I’m reminded of the line in Tallahassee after Neal and Emma escaped from the store…Neal said something along the lines of “the little guy saved us” in reference to Emma faking giving birth with her fake pregnancy. Maybe that was a little foreshadowing of Henry being the one to actually bring the two back together enough that they realize they still in love with one another.
😥 All of your posts in this thread are giving me teary-eyed hope. 😥 / 🙂
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