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You’d think if there was a picture of Tamara there they would have found it and mentioned it. I still think she pursued him and he’s just with her to try and move on. If Emma had given him any indication that she still had feelings for him I think he would have dropped Tamara pretty quickly…and that may be what it takes to get them back together…Emma is the one that is going to have to admit her feelings (as long as the writers continue in that direction…fingers crossed).
THIS!
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I’ve been thinking about this and just as we all had the mass hysteria prior to Manhattan when the fiancee rumor started, I mean well Manhattan subdued me because there were just sooooooo many emotions between those two that you just couldn’t not die of Swanthief emotions. But then the official confirmation that Neal was engaged kind of put us all back into hysteria, myself included. However, I’ve been thinking (which is a good thing we had the hiatus) The fact that Neal talked about fate and Emma just HAD to bring up the whole “Then why the heck did we meet that doesn’t make sense” I think it’s the writers’ way of explaining themselves, explainign why they kept it the same despite the majority of us knowing he was Bae. There’s just something so poetic that he was the one guy she had ever fell in love with, her first real love. The fact he had to leave her was truly because of him, the same reason she had no real family and they were drawn together. It’s just amazing and mind-blowing. And that’s why my panic calmed down and I just kept thinking you couldn’t make him Bae, bring him back into her life, show this whole him barely able to look at her as he pointed to the keychain, a simple cheap keychain he stole and gave to her they both felt so overwhelmed by. Even I keep mentioning her hand clenched and unclenched over it, shook in this way as he pointed she had it on. I’m sorry but if it was really just there to remind her not to trust anyone, why such a reaction like he had caught her? And the way he winced when she said nothing good came from them, when he spoke about fate, and the fact that the first thing you see greeting you in his apartment is the dream catcher. Why have that and not 200 pics of him and his fiancee? And that keychain has to come back up. I just want him to keep it and just ugh…….if they’re not endgame I just….I just can’t even see that as possible. Why bring him in, why make him Bae and just make him “Eh it’s just Emma’s ex” it’s just too beautiful of a story to just drop and push her with the overly flirty pirate whom flirts with everyone(really I don’t understand how people think he’s in love with Emma I really don’t I mean he flirts with every single female and he it’s not even like he mentions Emma again later on, he made one mention how she got her spunk from her mom and that’s it – rant over) But I dunno I’m pretty positive it’s gotta be from Emma’s side. I swore I read something where one of the writers’ said she wasn’t going to be won over easily by him or something like that. IF anyone sees that please link me!
@dena81 wrote:
There’s just something so poetic that he was the one guy she had ever fell in love with, her first real love. The fact he had to leave her was truly because of him, the same reason she had no real family and they were drawn together. It’s just amazing and mind-blowing.
THIS!! Dena81 …I agree 100% Swanfire HAS to be endgame, it is a very complex, beautiful, ironic and poetic story….I just refuse to believe that they are not endgame, I hope we get lots of angst filled scenes from them in the future, and that they have a slow but steady build-up….I don’t like the idea of Emma/Hook, (don’t get me wrong I like Hook, the actor is gorgeous, and its an interesting character), BUT for me I think Hook needs someone else to suit him more, Maybe be paired with someone naive/ultra sweet as Aurora to balance him out, or with someone even worse than him to have the same effect….In my opinion Hook /Regina have more things in common, they are somewhat “evil” but it comes from the pain of losing a loved one, and they both have a grudge against Rumple…I think the writers should “hook” them up lol 😆 BUT I fear we will get Captain Swan 🙁
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I’ve been thinking about this and just as we all had the mass hysteria prior to Manhattan when the fiancee rumor started, I mean well Manhattan subdued me because there were just sooooooo many emotions between those two that you just couldn’t not die of Swanthief emotions. But then the official confirmation that Neal was engaged kind of put us all back into hysteria, myself included. However, I’ve been thinking (which is a good thing we had the hiatus) The fact that Neal talked about fate and Emma just HAD to bring up the whole “Then why the heck did we meet that doesn’t make sense” I think it’s the writers’ way of explaining themselves, explainign why they kept it the same despite the majority of us knowing he was Bae. There’s just something so poetic that he was the one guy she had ever fell in love with, her first real love. The fact he had to leave her was truly because of him, the same reason she had no real family and they were drawn together. It’s just amazing and mind-blowing. And that’s why my panic calmed down and I just kept thinking you couldn’t make him Bae, bring him back into her life, show this whole him barely able to look at her as he pointed to the keychain, a simple cheap keychain he stole and gave to her they both felt so overwhelmed by. Even I keep mentioning her hand clenched and unclenched over it, shook in this way as he pointed she had it on. I’m sorry but if it was really just there to remind her not to trust anyone, why such a reaction like he had caught her? And the way he winced when she said nothing good came from them, when he spoke about fate, and the fact that the first thing you see greeting you in his apartment is the dream catcher. Why have that and not 200 pics of him and his fiancee? And that keychain has to come back up. I just want him to keep it and just ugh…….if they’re not endgame I just….I just can’t even see that as possible. Why bring him in, why make him Bae and just make him “Eh it’s just Emma’s ex” it’s just too beautiful of a story to just drop and push her with the overly flirty pirate whom flirts with everyone(really I don’t understand how people think he’s in love with Emma I really don’t I mean he flirts with every single female and he it’s not even like he mentions Emma again later on, he made one mention how she got her spunk from her mom and that’s it – rant over) But I dunno I’m pretty positive it’s gotta be from Emma’s side. I swore I read something where one of the writers’ said she wasn’t going to be won over easily by him or something like that. IF anyone sees that please link me!
Wow. Your post created so many thoughts in my head! I feel like the intricacy of it all is being uncovered and even the simplistic, obvious things, that we learned from just watching week by week now have even greater meaning and greater understanding of it all.
This is BRILLIANT, Dena81!Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
Some great discussions and insights here to comment on later.
Something to pass along real fast. Someone on tumblr mentioned earlier that since Neal and Emma were living in that little yellow car there’s a reasonably high liklihood that Henry was conceived in there. And Emma’s kept it for eleven years. Hadn’t thought of that before, so it made me grin.
I keep remembering the Cinderella episode when Emma passionately said that some people only had the back of a car(in which to raise a baby). In retrospect one has to wonder how many times she’d dreamed about what it would have been like to raise Henry with Neal in even in that little car.
dena81 I have to agree with you completely…if they do not make Swanfire endgame why even bring him in in the first place. and I have to just awwww at your post BeastWhisperer…so sweet of her thinking of life with Neal and Henry even if they really didn’t have anything…that was one of the things I liked about their relationship…despite the fact that they didn’t seem to have a lot they genuinely seemed happy.
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Some great discussions and insights here to comment on later.
Something to pass along real fast. Someone on tumblr mentioned earlier that since Neal and Emma were living in that little yellow car there’s a reasonably high liklihood that Henry was conceived in there. And Emma’s kept it for eleven years. Hadn’t thought of that before, so it made me grin.
I keep remembering the Cinderella episode when Emma passionately said that some people only had the back of a car(in which to raise a baby). In retrospect one has to wonder how many times she’d dreamed about what it would have been like to raise Henry with Neal in even in that little car.
I like that reasoning of why Emma kept the car and I’m SO looking forward to seeing Neal’s reaction to seeing that Emma still has it!
#MoreBOOMLessGloomI swore I read something where one of the writers’ said she wasn’t going to be won over easily by him or something like that. IF anyone sees that please link me!
I remember this too! It was one of the first teasers for season two. They claimed that Emma would be getting a lot of suitors this season but wouldn’t be won over easily.
GUYS!!! so I was standing in the shower and suddenly an epiphany hit me
So remember how Emma is telling Henry how she had to lie because Neal was this bad guy and a thief, yadda yadda? Well…where do you think he learned all of that????? In the promo he mentions how he knows Hook and has met him so what if Hook is some mentor to him and he was a lost boy? So all his stealing, etc was learned from Hook which is IRONY since the writers were going on about how Hook reminds Emma of Neal. But then i thought further about how when Emma first told Neal she loved him and his face just looks almost shocked but excited. It’s like he needed that love as he lost his mother, he lost his father, and that was the first person he had felt real love from in ages. I think that’s where he is very different from Hook and maybe before he idolized him, hence the stealing and the flirting. That was the part of him he learned from Hook but when he felt real love for Emma he changed, as I think Jennifer herself mentioned how they are similar but Hook and Neal are also very different. Just some food for thought…
Have you ever seen the miniseries Neverland? That’s kind of how they presented a Hook/Peter dynamic: Hook was his protector and mentor (also in love with Peter’s dead mother and had started taking care of Peter to honor her memory). Of course, things go wrong and they have a bitter falling out – but I do like your idea of Neal taking on Hook’s persona as a defense mechanism – and to woo pretty girls who steal his cars. The raw moments in Tallahassee – the I love yous and in the hotel room: that where we do see Bae. Since he was the first person to see the real Emma – I’m guessing she’s the first person to see Bae in hundreds of years. Plus side of him taking on different personas: we know his papa does that often too. Rumpel even borrowed some things from Hook himself! 😆
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