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@Gigi wrote:
I really like Archie character, he always so soothing and comfortable every time he’s on screen. It would be a shame not having him on the show anymore 😥
yes, I agree that’s why he would make a fantastic victim! the audience really seems to enjoy Archie. Killing him shows that even if rumple and regina are kind of on a time out right now storybrook is still a very dangerous place to be without killing anyone that is too relevant to the story.
[adrotate group="5"]Still, that’s a dangerous move, this show keeps killing it characters, but these characters are not normal fiction, they’re the classic, many children childhoods including mine. I was somehow piss off when they killed Gus Gus, I love that chubby mouse so much when I watched Cinderella since I was a kid. Now they gonna killed Jiminy cricket too? That’s pretty much a lot to take in. This show is based on fairytales From Disney, which is famous for happy endings, dream, hope, happy stuffs,etc.. They are taking this to the Lost style and it’s pretty much not work out very well in my opinion 😡
@Marilou wrote:
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
This would also fit into the spoiler a while back about about someone close to the Charmings betraying them. If it were Archie who was kille, Marco, would be angry because of AWB being turned back to wood (resentful towards Blue) and angry about his best friend being killed (thus feeling Charming & Co. can’t protect them). Perhaps this set Marco up to betray everyone close to him
that makes so much sense!
Thanks Marilou 🙂 Maybe one day we’ll get together, over a nice glass of french wine, and share theories. That would be so much fun! However, many of our theories have been similar, like the Frankie theory 🙂
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@Gigi wrote:
Still, that’s a dangerous move, this show keeps killing it characters, but these characters are not normal fiction, they’re the classic, many children childhoods including mine. I was somehow piss off when they killed Gus Gus, I love that chubby mouse so much when I watched Cinderella since I was a kid. Now they gonna killed Jiminy cricket too? That’s pretty much a lot to take in. This show is based on fairytales From Disney, which is famous for happy endings, dream, hope, happy stuffs,etc.. They are taking this to the Lost style and it’s pretty much not work out very well in my opinion 😡
The show isn’t just based on Disney fairy tale characters. That’s a common misconception. It is based on ALL story book characters. Be it from fairy tales, folk lore, mythology, modern tales, etc. That’s why we see Lancelot, Lady of the Lake, King Midas, Dr. Frankenstein, etc.
Kitsis and Horowitz made a point of saying the reason they killed off Graham was to show everyone how serious the curse is. I do believe they also need to show how serious Cora and Hook are.
I liked Archie and it would be a shame to see him go, but other than being the town psychiatrist, he really isn’t needed. August’s character has been sort of shown to the door (rumour has it Eion Bailey didn’t get on well with the rest of the staff) so no need for Jiminy to be his conscience anymore. No August, no more need for Marco either. Seems to me Archie & Marco are expendable.
As Marilou said earlier, time to trim the fat.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Gigi wrote
This show is based on fairytales From DisneyOUAT is not based on Disney (version) fairy tales.
K&H have said that the inclusion of anything Disney is simply a nod to Disney/ABC’s parent company.They are taking this to the Lost style
They also said that while there are LOST allusions/nods/easter eggs and some “LOST -esque” themes, the two shows are very different
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I never thought about Gepetto betraying them. Interesting theory TheGoldenKey.
I still think Blue Fairy is going to betray them. Gepetto hasn’t really been important this season. If betraying the Charmings was going to be a big deal, you would think that the betrayer would be shown a lot around the Charmings. Gepetto has rarely been shown at all. Blue Fairy on the other hand…..
Yes, I could see Geppetto doing that unfortunately because while I think he’s a “good” characters, he can be tempted to make poor decisions like the other “good” characters. However, I agree that the Blue Fairy seems more likely just because she’s been shown more often this season than Geppetto, and she’s been shown in a suspicious way too like when she warns Charming not to let anything happen to Jefferson’s hat, and then King George finds out about it and then gets a hold of it to burn it. I guess it could be that he snuck into Charming’s apartment, but I think there must have been a spy that had to tell King George what Charming was up to in the first place, and don’t see it being any of the Dwarves. Plus, she was wrong about the wardrobe being able to work only one time. If Cora could return the water to the lake, I’m sure that they could have found someone powerful enough to do so to get the wardrobe to work again. Or about the Blue Fairy tells Rumple about the wardrobe a long time ago, so he can find Bae and prevent the Curse from ever needing to take place.
Pongo being alone on the title card and the episode title certainly suggest that Archie is a dead man.
Yes, I’m just not sure if they’ll actually kill Archie or just make everyone think that he’s dead.
On one hand, I think it would be a great way to make Cora look even more evil if they really have her kill him. Plus, it would trim the cast which unfortunately seems really bloated now which is odd because just last season, it seemed relatively small with only focusing on 6 core characters, and now there’s so many more new characters that they’re trying to give time to that unfortunately they can’t unless they do get rid of some of the older characters first. We know that the 6 core characters are staying on the show for a long time probably until the show finally ends, so that leaves characters like August, the Blue Fairy, Ruby, Granny, the Dwarves, Archie, and Geppetto that they might kill off or get rid of somehow to make room for new characters this season and next season.
However, if they do actually kill him, then Regina doesn’t have anyone to turn to at all. I think she really does need this if they want her to slowly change. Plus, they could have other messed up characters, of which there are a lot, go to him for help.
I know I keep going on about this but if Kitsis and Horowitz have stated that Blue is good and only wishes to to good then I’ve got to believe what they’ve said. They weren’t ambiguous about it. They made it perfectly clear she is good and only does good.
Who knows why she didn’t offer up other methods to Rumple in order to follow Bae. Let’s be clear about it. Rumple let go of his child’s hand. Doesn’t matter if he regretted it after the fact. He still chose his power of Bae. Maybe there weren’t any other methods around back then. Maybe the wardrobe is something Blue developed centuries later just as Rumple developed the curse many centuries later.
She didn’t lie to the council about only one person being able to go through the wardrobe. Gepetto had already betrayed everyone by forcing her to agree to allow Pino to go. Thus, she spoke the truth to the council as only one could go through the wardrobe. She just didn’t divulge the deal she made with Gepetto. Why would she? It would only cause further dissension among everyone when what they needed to do was come together.
So, going on the fact that the creators/writers have ruled out Blue possibly being bad, the only way she could betray everyone is if it was Cora, impersonating Blue OR if there was magic big enough to possess Blue such as taking her heart.
I think maybe Cora is impersonating Reggie. Funny how, in the one scene, we see Reggie’s eyes go all possessed like just before she confronts Emma. Maybe that’s why everyone thinks Reggie is guilty of murder. Maybe they all witness Cora, impersonating Reggie, murder Archie (presuming it’s Archie of course.
Back to Gepetto. He betrayed them all once with forcing Blue to allow Pino to go. I can see him doing it again. He was, after all, part of the council sitting at the round table. So he’s somewhat important when it comes to operations.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I’m not convinced that Archie will die, although I do think it’ll be him who will “disappear”. Maybe Cora turns him into a fish and tries to pretend he’s dead and blame it on Regina, like lots of other people suggested.
The execution part is in FTL, I’m almost sure. It’s probably time to give us some flashbacks on how exactly Snow and Charming went from a couple of runaways to King and Queen. We only see them plotting and briefly fighting that war in one or two flashbacks, but we really have no idea how they defeated Regina, so that’s probably what this episode is going to show.
It would be a nice parallel too if the FTL flashbacks showed Regina being convicted of crimes she did commit, and, in Storybrooke, being unfairly accused. Also, she obviously got away. Wonder how that happened… 🙄
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I know I keep going on about this but if Kitsis and Horowitz have stated that Blue is good and only wishes to to good then I’ve got to believe what they’ve said. They weren’t ambiguous about it. They made it perfectly clear she is good and only does good.
What bugs me about the Blue Fiary, no matter what Eddie and Adam claim, is that she did nothing to stop the Ogre Wars and the kids fighting on the front lines. If she’s the “Original Power” and her name was whispered about on the battlefield, why didn’t she show up to help them? All Bae had to do was say her name and *poof* she floats down to the ground with a solution to his problem. Rumple, on the other hand, although he is evil, did stop the Ogres. We know from Morraine that the soldiers looked at him as a hero. Maybe the Blue Fairy is all good, but there are some inconsistancies about her. And I still take it as her lying to the Charmings about the tree. She withheld information and twisted it. That’s dishonest. But this isn’t the Blue Fairy thread…
As for “The Cricket Game”, I’m of the opinion that Cora is going to be impersonating Archie. I don’t think she’s going to kill him, but I think she could do a lot of damage as Archie. Actually, he seems like the key guy to impersonate if she wants the make the most mischief. Regina we know has talked to him. Gold has confided in him in the past. He’s the town psychiatrist and the one most people probably trust. He’s in the inner circle of the Charmings. That’s just a perfect storm for causing chaos.
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A couple of things have been kicking around in my head. The episode description did not say that anyone was murdered…just that Regina was accused of murdering a beloved fairy tale character. That doesn’t mean that someone wasn’t really murdered but it does leave a lot of options open. Also…why the description of the person supposedly murdered as a fairy tale person…rather than someone in the town of Storybrook? I’m not sure I have any answers…lots of good possibilities have been listed but I’ve thought of a few more.
1. Hook kidnaps Archie and holds him captive in the clock tower (remember when Jiminy Cricket was tied up in the cukoo clock). The motive…trying to find out what Archie knows about Rumple’s weakness. This possibility came to me when I was looking again at Archie’s journal in the Once game. Archie writes that it is important to destroy notes of earlier session and how it is better to have no record of Rumple’s weakness. He also writes about going into hiding or a protection program if Rumple comes for counseling. I guess he could also be in hiding (clock tower?).
2. Archie is not murdered or kidnapped but rather he is missing because he is trying to work out his own guilt issues regarding Gepetto’s parents. In We are Both he was one of the ones who wanted to cross the line to erase his memories and in his journal he writes that he was happier before the curse was broken…and that the existence of Marco/Gepetto and the debt he can never fill tie him forever to the cricket he was. Another possibility is Archie is once again considering crossing the line.
…and I really like the suggestion of Cora impersonating Archie. Talk about a fast track to a lot of information. Possibly Archie is captive in the clock tower and Cora is impersonating. That would be an interesting story line.
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