Tamara is…

[hcadia]

I believe in what Neal said to Emma at the bar, about fate and destiny…
If it wasn’t for Bealfire to go to the another land without magic (but somehow ended up in Neverland so he wouldn’t age….) then he wouldn’t become Neal Cassady and if it wasn’t for the curse (so rumple could find his son) then Emma wouldn’t have end up in our real world where she and Neal met each other.
So if Bea was still in FTL and there wasn’t any curse at all.. then he and Emma would never find love because of the age and you know the rest… So I guess that this could be fate that tied their ways together and even if Tamara and Neal are engaged at this moment… I’m very sure that Neal and Emma will find their way back to each other… but not in a shady way like David and MM did behind Kathrine’s back… Tamara is a very pretty girl and I believe that she would let Neal go when she finally learns that his heart belongs to Emma, even when the spoiler did say thatshe will fight until she get what she wants…

Neal and Emma are meant to be together and they will always find each other. No matter where they are or what will happen to them, they still want each other happiness and love. This for me is the definition of true love, and even when they are in our real world, we must remember that they’re both from FTL…. so maybe true love rules for them too?! And they will be together because they love each other not just for Henry’s sake. 😀

[mich7]

@Naomi wrote:

So. Still don’t like her, guys. 😆 So I'm guessing – if Tamara doesn't go with them on Hook's ship…then she somehow makes her own way to SB later on? Seems like the possessive type…

Poor Emma. It looked like her and Neal were starting to be more comforable around each other, too. If I could hug all SwanFire supporters in ths thread I woud. (hug)

Yeah, I think this episode revealed what may really be going on in Emma’s heart and mind right now…she’s at war with herself…her head is telling her to move on…she can’t trust him and her heart is saying she wants him back and I think that Gold calling her on that revealed that her heart really was winning until “ugh” Tamara showed up …Emma really looked hurt. And no…this doesn’t change my mind either…I don’t like Tamara…and I can’t wait for her to find out that Emma is Neal’s baby’s momma 😈 Yes, I will be gloating.

[tammythebear]

@Mich7 wrote:

Yeah, I think this episode revealed what may really be going on in Emma’s heart and mind right now…she’s at war with herself…her head is telling her to move on…she can’t trust him and her heart is saying she wants him back and I think that Gold calling her on that revealed that her heart really was winning until “ugh” Tamara showed up …Emma really looked hurt. And no…this doesn’t change my mind either…I don’t like Tamara…and I can’t wait for her to find out that Emma is Neal’s baby’s momma 😈 Yes, I will be gloating.

I couldn’t have said ANY of this better. I thought the scene was instantly wrecked when Tamara arrived-not because she is his fiancee- but because the actress and the character didn’t ADD anything to it besides a really bad introduction of a character. I am sorry but it you want people to like your character you better act the ___ out of it… without going overboard. There were good vibes all around with the “Life is full of surprises” conversation where he was going to gently mention his “friend” and then-WHAM- all of the life was was sucked out of the scene. The one good thing that came from enduring it was to see that #1 Emma still cares #2 Obviously Neal does too if he was calling his fiance a “friend” and “complicated” #3 Neal obviously hasn’t told Tamara about Emma or his previous life- including his father- at all either… not to mention that he has a SON… You would think that once you find out your have a son you would let the person you plan to spend your life with know… LOL I can’t wait for her to find out about Emma and Henry…hehehehe 👿

[Myril]

@tammythebear wrote:

@Mich7 wrote:

Yeah, I think this episode revealed what may really be going on in Emma’s heart and mind right now…she’s at war with herself…her head is telling her to move on…she can’t trust him and her heart is saying she wants him back and I think that Gold calling her on that revealed that her heart really was winning until “ugh” Tamara showed up …Emma really looked hurt. And no…this doesn’t change my mind either…I don’t like Tamara…and I can’t wait for her to find out that Emma is Neal’s baby’s momma 😈 Yes, I will be gloating.

I couldn’t have said ANY of this better. I thought the scene was instantly wrecked when Tamara arrived-not because she is his fiancee- but because the actress and the character didn’t ADD anything to it besides a really bad introduction of a character. I am sorry but it you want people to like your character you better act the ___ out of it… without going overboard. There were good vibes all around with the “Life is full of surprises” conversation where he was going to gently mention his “friend” and then-WHAM- all of the life was was sucked out of the scene. The one good thing that came from enduring it was to see that #1 Emma still cares #2 Obviously Neal does too if he was calling his fiance a “friend” and “complicated” #3 Neal obviously hasn’t told Tamara about Emma or his previous life- including his father- at all either… not to mention that he has a SON… You would think that once you find out your have a son you would let the person you plan to spend your life with know… LOL I can’t wait for her to find out about Emma and Henry…hehehehe 👿

Wasn’t it very much the sense to wreck this moment between Emma and Neal here? It was meant to be an awkward moment, crushing hopes before they really start blooming. And it will add a lot to the dynamic in this family.

Sonequa Martin-Green did a good job , as far as we can tell at this point (we know nothing about the character) Putting all shipping and knowledge about Emma and Neal aside, kinda trying to watch it as some stranger standing by chance nearby watching this scene (maybe easier for me as non-shipper) would say, Tamara came across as rather sympathetic. She is Neal’s fiance after all, and besides a short questioning look and a look telling that Tamara very well noticed these two have some history she reacted quite relaxed in this moment,no panicking who is that reaction. Curiosity on her side, a friendly distance, but open-minded. Seriously, I would like to go and take coffee with Tamara to get to know her better.

I’m not totally sure about the time which went by from the episode Manhatten to this one but my guess is maybe a day at best, if even. So, when should Neal have told his fiance about his son? He just learned himself he has one.

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[playarita]

Sorry if it seems all over the place but I am trying to keep it organized.

First, Tamara may not be FTL related at all but may have her own type of magic that exists in this world. I do think that some sort of magic exists here but it’s so primitive that it’s more an energy source. So if she were of this world then she might be an embodiment of someone who can funnel that energy and obtained some sort of level beyond what we live in (ascended if that is an apt word). That or she is able to travel between worlds in a way that is different from the way FTL characters do it. I am thinking of Charles De Lint and how some of his characters can travel in the spirit world or the world between the spirit world and our world.

About Tamara’s name:
Tamara can mean spice, date palm, or lotus flower depending on origin. It’s also based on the Tamar.

A few things come to mind when I think of date palms and spices. I think of the Mediterranean, Caribbean, and generally that area. The first place I went to was Calypso because of Captain Hook’s name being Killian Jones But I wanted to do some further research and for instance the goddess Yemaya who is the ocean, essence of motherhood and protector of children. Interestingly enough there is a goddess that goes by the name of Tamar who is a Georgian sky goddess. Then there is Asherah who is the Queen of Heaven and also Lady of the Sea or who treads on the sea. So perhaps she might be Calypso but a sort of hodge podge of several dieties?

My guess is that she is connected to Captain Hook (perhaps he has a connection to Davy Jones of Davy Jones Locker). Which either means that he met her in Never Never Land or sometime prior. (Perhaps she helped him find a way of staying alive for over 300 years?)

Now onto my second point:

Second, I have no hate for Tamara. However I do believe there is more to the story. I don’t really see how from the first episode of Broken (which gave the impression of a bachelor) we then see he is engaged. The impression I got was that he had to do it because of a situation he found himself in (perhaps got in over his head with the wrong people) or she is someone who knows of his past and in keeping silent needed a favor.

If, and this is a big if, she does have a connection to Captain Hook (and Neal seems to have a connection to Captain Hook) then she must know something about Neal that would make him quick to help her. I was wondering about the Peter Pan connection. I don’t think he is Peter Pan. I know the creators have said we are not going to meet Peter Pan this season and I understand how that it can be interpreted either as Neal not being Peter Pan or we not getting his Peter Pan backstory until next season. There is also the theory of his being a lost boy.

I was wondering though judging from his skittishness and her possessiveness seems that there is something that Neal wants to hide. I don’t really see why he would hide his being Peter Pan identity or being a Lost Boy. Unless he wasn’t the “good” guy but on Captain Hook’s side. He mentions knowing how to sail. He recognizes Hook.

Had they met in Never Never Land then Hook could have easily started to turn Neal against Rumple by telling him about the fact that Rumple was drunk with power, that he tore out Milah’s heart and crushed it (yes she abandoned him but this episode shows that Neal has an immense love for his parents…he even called Rumple papa when he saw Rumple hurt), that Rumple did not care for Neal any longer. So he learned from Hook and was a crew of his ship.

The only thing I can think of is that Tamara might have told Neal about what Rumple was trying to do, what his motivation was as the Dark Lord in spite of his dark magic and very much cruel way of deal making etc, and told him about the curse that was cast. Neal might have felt it was his duty to help break the curse that Rumple found. Tamara could have told him about Emma, about her being the savior etc. That could explain how Emma and him met. Perhaps he used a bit of magic to have her drawn to the bug. Then we see what happens after. Their falling in love, etc.

But because magic comes with a price then Neal might have been at the mercy of Tamara’s wishes whatever they may be. For now it seems to be playing the role of fiance and using this “endearment” to allow her to cross into Storybrooke.

I don’t know (or rather) I doubt she did this out of the goodness of her heart but she may turn malevolent when she is finally able to go to where she needs to go to accomplish her plans…

And that was long-winded.. 😆

[olyana]

I was searching for more clues and found them… Tamara is likely someone who is more of a pursuer in this relationship, while Nealfire is allowing it to happen – perhaps to move on? Does he consider her more of a friend whereas she is in love? Or, is there a thicker plot where it’s all a set up by August?
In the upcoming episodes, there will be a scene of August on his bike in NY City, meeting with Nealfire and talking. Tamara watches them from coffee shop while they are talking, and then walks out and literally walks into Nealfire with her coffee. He spills it all over her; they talk, and so it begins. Who says August didn't set this up? Is there even more to the story? Was this an accident or was she stalking him? The timing is suspicious and there are no coincidences…
http://canadagraphs.weebly.com/8/category/sonequa%20martingreen6d324dd703/1.html

[RumplesGirl]

@olyana wrote:

I was searching for more clues and found them… Tamara is likely someone who is more of a pursuer in this relationship, while Nealfire is allowing it to happen – perhaps to move on? Does he consider her more of a friend whereas she is in love? Or, is there a thicker plot where it’s all a set up by August?
In the upcoming episodes, there will be a scene of August on his bike in NY City, meeting with Nealfire and talking. Tamara watches them from coffee shop while they are talking, and then walks out and literally walks into Nealfire with her coffee. He spills it all over her; they talk, and so it begins. Who says August didn't set this up? Is there even more to the story? Was this an accident or was she stalking him? The timing is suspicious and there are no coincidences…
http://canadagraphs.weebly.com/8/category/sonequa%20martingreen6d324dd703/1.html

Good. I hope that means I can continue to dislike her. 🙂

If August did set this up somehow I wonder what purpose that served? Does he not want Emma and Neal to be together at all? Is he hoping Neal will forget about Emma? Is this because August knew about Henry and didn't want Neal to go looking for Emma and his son?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[tammythebear]

@Mich7 wrote:

Wasn’t it very much the sense to wreck this moment between Emma and Neal here? It was meant to be an awkward moment, crushing hopes before they really start blooming. And it will add a lot to the dynamic in this family.

Sonequa Martin-Green did a good job , as far as we can tell at this point (we know nothing about the character) Putting all shipping and knowledge about Emma and Neal aside, kinda trying to watch it as some stranger standing by chance nearby watching this scene (maybe easier for me as non-shipper) would say, Tamara came across as rather sympathetic. She is Neal’s fiance after all, and besides a short questioning look and a look telling that Tamara very well noticed these two have some history she reacted quite relaxed in this moment,no panicking who is that reaction. Curiosity on her side, a friendly distance, but open-minded. Seriously, I would like to go and take coffee with Tamara to get to know her better.

I’m not totally sure about the time which went by from the episode Manhatten to this one but my guess is maybe a day at best, if even. So, when should Neal have told his fiance about his son? He just learned himself he has one.

I’m not saying it wasn’t suppose to be awkward- I just really hoped that they would have come up with a better scene than what we saw. Personally- I don’t think the actress did that great of a job. I guess I am just used to the quality of acting where there is so much more in the scene besides dialogue. (hence, why its called acting- not reading). Adding a character for the sake of “adding dynamic” to an already dysfunctional family without that character holding up the quality of the show is pointless. Like I said- I don’t dislike her. I just want the show not to suck. As for it being a day and her not knowing about Henry- I guess I am going off of my own relationship experience where my hubby is the first to know everything that happens, right when it happens (and vice versa) He has a cell- he can text and call to use her car but he can’t tell her about Henry………… sorry that rings seriously suspicious.

I truly do not dislike this character- I am holding out hope for better writing/acting/whatever is going to make scenes with her better. It is like watching a potentially awesome story/character/actor like Hook- who can add to the story- getting thrown in there as a filler with a crap story (and in Hook’s case getting shown as a wussy). Tamara and Neal’s relationship doesn’t bother me, I actually think it will be good to shake Emma up and make her realize that she really really does care. (Plus she has my name- how could I hate that? LOL) I am just hoping that it gets better from here.

[kfchimera]

@tammythebear wrote:

@Mich7 wrote:

Personally- I don’t think the actress did that great of a job.

She did not have much to work with, let’s be fair. It was a VERY short scene, and as the other poster said, I also thought she came off better than I’d hoped.

They didn’t make her scream “shrewish other woman, waiting to be dumped, to resolve forced romantic triangle!”, like so many movies/shows do when setting up a romantic triangle just to create an obstacle for the main couple (they eventually softened Kathrine a bit, but at first the whole Kathrine/David/MM triangle came off that way to me). Instead, Tamara seemed to me to be kind of cool. Her fiance shows up, says he has to get out of town, and is with some strange woman she’s never met, and she stays calm, friendly even. Concerned, but of course she should be. She doesn’t give Emma the stink eye or nag Neal.

As for Tamra not knowing, or Neal not having told Tamara about Emma and Henry, well, I imagine he simply didn’t have time or the right moment to do so. That is not the kind of thing you want to do over the phone or worse, in a text!
The same with telling Emma about Tamara. First, he was more concerned about his father when they met in the bar, then after finding out about Henry, he was focused on that. By the time they were just getting to a point where he could bring up Tamara, his father gets stabbed..so I don’t fault him on that either, the way the scenes played out.
And has Emma told Neal that Henry has an adopted mother, or anything about Cora yet? I’m sure we will get this scene soon, but at this point in the story, there is a lot of information that many characters have not shared.

Any new character takes time to kind of blend into the story, and I’m willing to trust ( for now!) this will go somewhere more interesting than just a triangle for the sake of it.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[l jones]

Oh God! This board is filled with Emma/Neal shippers. No wonder people are posting nasty comments about a character no one knows about. 🙄 I have never encountered such intolerance on a message board in my life.

By the way, I despise Neal. I think he’s a douche.

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