Tamara is…

[jolly roger]

@Phee wrote:

If we assume that Tamara is someone from a magical land, which is reasonable to assume, considering there are pics of her in SB and they don’t like non-magical peeps in town, I’d also assume that Neal doesn’t know her true identity, because he wouldn’t want to be with anyone magical, because that’s what he’s been running from his whole life.

If so, that could clash with the Peter Pan and Tinkerbell theories for them both…unless she was able to cast a spell on him so he didn’t recognise her…and if she was sent by Blue to find him, surely she has some reserves of fairy dust hidden away, the way Regina had her magical trinkets…which could make a forgetting spell possible. Ooo, maybe that’s why she bumps into him and spills her drink on him, because she had to get fairy dust on him somehow?

Anyway, basically, what I’m getting at, is if she’s revealed to be someone magical, and Neal didn’t previously know, I’m guessing the engagement won’t last much longer.

I like this theory. But why would Blue send her to him? To look after Baelfire, because Blue does seem to care for him.

[mich7]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Well, isn’t that just peachy? It’s Kathryn-David-Mary Margaret love triangle again, only this time without the “we were cursed” excuse. At least we’ll get to see Killian flirt with Emma in the mean time and make Baelfire jealous. 😆

Yep…the repetitive stuff is really starting to get on my nerves but this does at least explain the option for season three in both SMG and MRJ’s character descriptions for Tamara and Neal instead of making them regulars. Neal is probably just in this to help Emma and Rumple move on. Of course I recall a comment that the writers gave that said there were people that you were not supposed to be with and people you were meant to be with and people you just choose and that Emma would face all of those. I wonder if the people you just choose isn’t someone she chooses but Tamara…in that Neal chose her so that he could have a normal life…never the less I do think this is kind of stupid…the complications between them are already there…no need to add to it with a fiancee….much too much like a soap opera move imo.

And if she is a fairytale character I’m going to go with Frog princess for now.

ETA: I do think that it is interesting that the word complicated was used…what’s complicated about it…Emma doesn’t want to be in a relationship with him and he’s moved on and they are trying to get along with each other for the sake of the child…using that word makes me think she still has feelings for him and vice versa…don’t know if that gives me reason to hope or not…Regina couldn’t go back to Daniel and Hook to Milah…maybe that is the direction this season…the past is over and it’s time to move forward…cause seriously I haven’t had a clue as to what the focus for this season has been 😕 Last season was easy…breaking the curse.

[RumplesGirl]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
NO. NO.

NO.

The CaptainSwan shippers are going to have a field day. Cause, here comes Hook in his dashing swagger way.
Well, no offense to this actress but I really hope the writers figure out that a lot of fans are going to be against this. I’m “ok” with her being around for the rest of the season for create tension, but come on…it’s got to be SwanFire in the end.
Given that Neal is probably Peter Pan, I’m going to Tamara is Tiger Lily. I know Tinkerbell is also likely given Tink’s jealousy over Wendy and Peter in the Disney film, but I still think Blue is a better candidate for Tink. And in the Disney film, Tiger Lily and Peter were equally friendly and Wendy was just as jealous.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[antbee]

@Phee wrote:

If we assume that Tamara is someone from a magical land, which is reasonable to assume, considering there are pics of her in SB and they don’t like non-magical peeps in town, I’d also assume that Neal doesn’t know her true identity, because he wouldn’t want to be with anyone magical, because that’s what he’s been running from his whole life.

If so, that could clash with the Peter Pan and Tinkerbell theories for them both…unless she was able to cast a spell on him so he didn’t recognise her…and if she was sent by Blue to find him, surely she has some reserves of fairy dust hidden away, the way Regina had her magical trinkets…which could make a forgetting spell possible. Ooo, maybe that’s why she bumps into him and spills her drink on him, because she had to get fairy dust on him somehow?

Anyway, basically, what I’m getting at, is if she’s revealed to be someone magical, and Neal didn’t previously know, I’m guessing the engagement won’t last much longer.

I guess it’s wishful thinking, but I’m hoping he knows who she really is and that their “engagement” is just some kind of plan to fool everyone else.

Or if she’s Tinkerbell, I wonder if she could be blackmailing or really good at manipulating Nealfire somehow to do what she wants which includes him taking her to Storybrooke using the cover story that she’s his fiancee. I wouldn’t say that she’s evil in that kind of scenario like , but I don’t think she’d be wholly good either which would remind me a lot of Tinkerbell from Disney’s “Peter Pan”. I don’t think she’d necessarily have any romantic feelings for Nealfire like that Tinkerbell although she might, she’d just be using him to further her own agenda whatever that is which would fit the character description that she was given.

Either way though, I agree that she’s definitely from FTL or some other magical world and not just an ordinary person because Neal wouldn’t risk taking someone ordinary to Storybrooke.

Yep…the repetitive stuff is really starting to get on my nerves but this does at least explain the option for season three in both SMG and MRJ’s character descriptions for Tamara and Neal instead of making them regulars. Neal is probably just in this to help Emma and Rumple move on.

Have hope. I think they left it open because they didn’t want to just come right out in the casting call that these two characters are going to be very important and be around a lot next season too, but agents looking for work for their clients, probably know that’s code for those characters being regulars next season or major recurring characters because they would have to know that their clients have to have the schedule to be able to do the role if chosen.

It might be a regular love triangle with Tamara really being an outsider, but I don’t think she’d stick around too long in Storybrooke if she really were an outsider. I also don’t think they’re going to write off Nealfire so soon as just someone to give closure to Rumple and Emma after being the reason that the Curse was created in the first place. Maybe SwanFire won’t be endgame, but I’m sure Nealfire will eventually be on good terms with the rest of Henry’s family including Emma since I think Henry will ultimately get his happy ending which at the very least includes the main members of his family getting along with each other even if his biological parents don’t get back together. There’s a lot more that Nealfire can do besides giving them closure, so I think MRJ will be a regular at least next season. I’m not sure about Tamara, but if she’s Tinkerbell, I think she could be a regular or a major recurring character next season like Dr. Whale has been this season getting her own episode about her back story season and having some kind of agenda of her own instead of just being Neal’s fiancee.

ETA:

The CaptainSwan shippers are going to have a field day. Cause, here comes Hook in his dashing swagger way.

Don’t worry. If Emma/Hook happens which I doubt especially after he tries to kill her son’s Grandfather again, I don’t see it being more than a fling. I don’t see him having a change of heart because I think we’ll see Regina trying to redeem herself for more than a few weeks next season, and she’ll hopefully will have learned that her redemption is more than just about getting Henry back next time she tries to stick to the path of good. Plus, Rumple will take it a lot more seriously once he realizes all the damage he’s caused to Bae’s life and the lives of those that Bae cares about, and having another villain next season redeeming their selves would be overkill, imo.

Also, remember the big fuss at the beginning of the season about how Emma was going to have all these suitors, and basically she’s really had none, and it looks like it’s going to be slim picking for the rest of the season for her since there’s not really much time now to devote to her love life when all these other promises that they made for this season need to be dealt with unless we get some kind of filler episode before the finale where instead of being about what’s going on with the Cora situation, it’s suddenly about Emma’s love life. It’s possible they do that, but I think it’d make a lot of fans angry since it would kill the momentum of the battle against Cora with only 3 episodes left since the next four episodes are about Snow, Cora, Regina or Greg, August, and likely Neal unless defeating Cora has something to do with Emma’s romantic love for someone, which would probably make SwanQueen shippers happy, but that kind of ending with Emma kissing her true romantic love or vice versa will likely be saved for another season probably the finale season, I imagine.

So given all that, all that talk about Hook and Emma from the cast and writers seemed to be all hype like the suitor talk turned out to be all hype. I’m sure next season we will actually see Emma have some suitors or at least one suitor, but I think that suitor or suitors will be more acceptable in Henry’s eyes and her parent’s eyes than Hook would be. In fact, I think that her next serious suitor will likely be someone that’s a lot more suitable to her parents than they would consider Neal to be since even if he’s changed his lifestyle, because I’m sure Emma’s parents consider him to be a “bad boy” especially Prince Charming. Not that Emma would care, but imo, I think that Emma/Hook would be too similar in some ways to Emma/Neal, except Neal was also her first love and maybe true love, and they always have Henry tying them together because he was definitely a “bad boy” and could still be especially if he’s Peter Pan. While he’s not a “bad boy” like Hook is, he’s still enough of one that I’d rather the writers go the opposite way and have Emma temporarily find something with someone like Lancelot or a noble character like that since we’ve seen her with a “bad boy” character.

Plus, if the engagement between Tamara and Nealfire is real, I don’t want a love rectangle between Hook, Emma, Nealfire, and Tamara. This show has never been about love triangles like that, and I would hope that they never go that route since a lot of viewers were upset by the whole Snow/Charming/Kathryn triangle since it made Snow and Charming both look bad.

[beastwhisperer]

It might just be my dislike for repeating the MM/David/Kathryn triangle speaking, but has anyone else wondered if Tamara might secretly turn out to be “Her”? Maybe she’s trying to find Storybrooke and magic to get something she wants (fits with her description) and has figured out that Nealfire has a magical FTL connection. Maybe Greg isn’t the only one actively chasing magic. It’d be a more interesting twist certainly than repeating my least favorite plot from season one. Or it could just be my utter loathing for this unneccessary complication kicking in. Either way just thought I’d throw the possibility out there.

[mich7]

Thought of this as well…we started off the season with a Phillip/Aurora/Mulan triangle where they were experimenting with the two loves at the same time (#@%#! lol don’t get me started)…Phillip supposedly fell for Mulan as they were looking for Aurora. My thinking is that Neal may have fallen for Tamara as he was waiting for Emma to become free. We do see them supposedly meet (I am assuming for the first time) in Selfless, Brave, and True…and I’m thinking that August in those pictures may have been going to Storybrook to move Emma along. So this romance with Tamara is a recent one…at least imo…just from what few clues we have thus far.

While it does feel like Kathyrn all over again I bet they parallel it with the Phillip/Aurora/Mulan storyline by bringing it back in the last episode the same way they brought back Snow and PC first season and both Phillip and Neal will have to make a choice of who they want to be with (provided Emma rediscovers her feelings for Neal).

And another thing…I’m not familiar with the Frog Princess but from what I’ve read doesn’t she fall in love with the frog prince while they are on a journey to have him marry someone else (Disney version) (much like the Mulan/Aurora/Phillip stuff).

@AntBee wrote:

Yep…the repetitive stuff is really starting to get on my nerves but this does at least explain the option for season three in both SMG and MRJ’s character descriptions for Tamara and Neal instead of making them regulars. Neal is probably just in this to help Emma and Rumple move on.

Have hope. I think they left it open because they didn’t want to just come right out in the casting call that these two characters are going to be very important and be around a lot next season too, but agents looking for work for their clients, probably know that’s code for those characters being regulars next season or major recurring characters because they would have to know that their clients have to have the schedule to be able to do the role if chosen.

It might be a regular love triangle with Tamara really being an outsider, but I don’t think she’d stick around too long in Storybrooke if she really were an outsider. I also don’t think they’re going to write off Nealfire so soon as just someone to give closure to Rumple and Emma after being the reason that the Curse was created in the first place. Maybe SwanFire won’t be endgame, but I’m sure Nealfire will eventually be on good terms with the rest of Henry’s family including Emma since I think Henry will ultimately get his happy ending which at the very least includes the main members of his family getting along with each other even if his biological parents don’t get back together. There’s a lot more that Nealfire can do besides giving them closure, so I think MRJ will be a regular at least next season. I’m not sure about Tamara, but if she’s Tinkerbell, I think she could be a regular or a major recurring character next season like Dr. Whale has been this season getting her own episode about her back story season and having some kind of agenda of her own instead of just being Neal’s fiancee.

The fact that she’s in those pictures watching August turn back into a boy again makes me think either Neal has come clean about everything to her (not good news since he entrusted her with his secrets but not Emma) or she’s FTL. It also looks like at that point he is still very much with her. I would hate it is he had been pretending to be engaged to her all that time to get Emma jealous and ended up falling for her. I would see red. lol Her character description says she goes after what she wants until she gets it…My guess is that she’s in Storybrook to ensure that Neal remains hers…if she is the frog princess maybe she’ll get turned into a frog and get squashed. 😈 What?…I have a little bit of Regina in me…what can I say. 😆 Greg also has an option for next year in his character description by the way.

[Phee]

@Jolly Roger wrote:

@Phee wrote:

If we assume that Tamara is someone from a magical land, which is reasonable to assume, considering there are pics of her in SB and they don’t like non-magical peeps in town, I’d also assume that Neal doesn’t know her true identity, because he wouldn’t want to be with anyone magical, because that’s what he’s been running from his whole life.

If so, that could clash with the Peter Pan and Tinkerbell theories for them both…unless she was able to cast a spell on him so he didn’t recognise her…and if she was sent by Blue to find him, surely she has some reserves of fairy dust hidden away, the way Regina had her magical trinkets…which could make a forgetting spell possible. Ooo, maybe that’s why she bumps into him and spills her drink on him, because she had to get fairy dust on him somehow?

Anyway, basically, what I’m getting at, is if she’s revealed to be someone magical, and Neal didn’t previously know, I’m guessing the engagement won’t last much longer.

I like this theory. But why would Blue send her to him? To look after Baelfire, because Blue does seem to care for him.

Yes, I believe that Blue sent August after Nealfire back in the day, but then August pissed off to Phuket, so Blue needed to send someone else to keep tabs on him instead.

@AntBee wrote:

I guess it’s wishful thinking, but I’m hoping he knows who she really is and that their “engagement” is just some kind of plan to fool everyone else.

If he knows the full truth of who she is, I doubt that she could be anyone magical…

Emma: Did you know who I was when we met?
Neal: If I had, I wouldn’t have gone near you.
Emma: C’mon
Neal: C’mon what? I was in hiding. I came here to get away from all that crap.

Now that we know he’s been in at least one other world before ours, that statement means he wasn’t just running from FTL, he was running from wherever else he’d been as well. I seriously doubt that he’d willingly associate with anyone he knew to be from any magical land. And I keep coming back to the thought that she must be from a magical land if she’s gonna end up in SB, (standing around watching as Blue turns WoodenAugust back into a human boy, no less). Even if the SBers would welcome her into town as a non-magical outsider, (and it’s safe to say they wouldn’t), Nealfire considers magic to be an utterly destructive force, and he wouldn’t expose someone he loved to it.

[RumplesGirl]

The fact that she’s in those pictures watching August turn back into a boy again makes me think either Neal has come clean about everything to her (not good news since he entrusted her with his secrets but not Emma) or she’s FTL. It also looks like at that point he is still very much with her. I would hate it is he had been pretending to be engaged to her all that time to get Emma jealous and ended up falling for her. I would see red. lol Her character description says she goes after what she wants until she gets it…My guess is that she’s in Storybrook to ensure that Neal remains hers…if she is the frog princess maybe she’ll get turned into a frog and get squashed. 😈 What?…I have a little bit of Regina in me…what can I say. 😆 Greg also has an option for next year in his character description by the way.

I understand the frog squashing bit. I said this in a previous thread about Tamara but I’m trying really hard not to hate her just based on these tiny spoilers we’ve gotten. But I’m failing at it. If she’s from Neverland (Tink or Tiger Lily at this point) then 1) how did they get to NYC? (I’m still of the opinion that Blue is Tinkerbell and she brought NealFire Pan to NYC before the Dark Curse hit, one of those final preparations she told Gepetto about) and 2) why did they both come? And why not bring all the Lost Boys with them?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[angiebelle]

I’m not thrilled with the ideal that Neal has a fiance, but I’m certainly not surprised. They aren’t going to make it too easy for Emma and Neal to end up back together. I’m still hoping they do in the long run though.

I rather hope Tamara is not a fairytale character. Everyone keeps trying to make everyone connected to a story- what’s wrong with having some characters who actually *are* from our world?

[RumplesGirl]

@AngieBelle wrote:

I’m not thrilled with the ideal that Neal has a fiance, but I’m certainly not surprised. They aren’t going to make it too easy for Emma and Neal to end up back together. I’m still hoping they do in the long run though.

I rather hope Tamara is not a fairytale character. Everyone keeps trying to make everyone connected to a story- what’s wrong with having some characters who actually *are* from our world?

What you said made me think of something. If she is a FTL character (Tink/Tiger Lily, the Frog Princess, ect.) then where was she while Neal was with Emma? You would think that they would stick together, especially if she’s Tinkerbell to Neal’s Peter Pan. If they both came through (wherever they came through) together, they would probably stick together, being in a new land and everything.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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