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@Joan12 wrote:
Morgan le Fay would be interesting but I still want Tamara to be Tinker Bell! (And Neal to be Peter)
They’ve shown lots of similarities between Rumple and Neal/Bae so far: dark clothing,
mannerisms, both separated from their sons, etc.
I think it would be cool if they also both had a relationship with a ‘bell’ woman – Rumple with Belle and Neal with Tinker Bell.
People may have posted this before but Tinker Bell is sometimes translated as Tinn Tamm in French (sounds like Tamara?)Very Interesting…Also I was reading that in the Peter Pan Novel, in the ending it is suggested that Tink has died, and that Peter does not have memory of her at all…SO this may explain why Nealfire (if he is Peter) does not know her true identity…because he has NO memories of her, some how they got erased when she left neverland or “died”…Interesting….Hope she is Tinkerbell!!
[adrotate group="5"]@TheOnionGirl wrote:
As someone who’s read a lot of Arthurian legend, I feel obligated to mention that there are many different versions and Morgan le Fay isn’t always a really bad guy. 🙂 Or girl.
She and Arthur have a sister, Morgause. Now, there’s a piece of work.
I did know that Morgause was really the “bad” one, but I think more people are familiar with Morgan le Fay. But either way, I think it would be really interesting if they decided to go that route for Tamara’s FLT character (if she indeed has one).
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."Was thinking about this and discussing it with my husband. During the promo, it seems as if she is saying “Long time (no see)” to August. If she is, we know she is keeping something from Neal, because Neal thinks she has no clue about anything.
Disclaimer: I am not a “Tamara hater”, but if she is talking to August in the promo and knows him like so many of us think, she is obviously lying to Neal. IF that’s the scenario.
Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.
@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:
Was thinking about this and discussing it with my husband. During the promo, it seems as if she is saying “Long time (no see)” to August. If she is, we know she is keeping something from Neal, because Neal thinks she has no clue about anything.
Disclaimer: I am not a “Tamara hater”, but if she is talking to August in the promo and knows him like so many of us think, she is obviously lying to Neal. IF that’s the scenario.
Maybe she is talking to OWEN / GREG he is someone else that the comment LONG TIME NO SEE could be made to…. or how about the BLUE FAIRY ????
BOTH are possible choices…..
@slurpeez108 wrote:
It’s been hinted widely in the ABC promo for 2×18 that Tamara has an agenda of stealing magic and that she’s just using Baelfire to get to SB. IF that’s the case, then there is warranted reason not to trust Tamara.
Now, that’s interesting. I’ve avoided a lot of discussion/spoilers until I got my review out, but this fits nicely with my Wraith/Her theory. It’s one of the wackier theories I’ve ever come up with for a television show, but this gives it a bit more credibility.
@astrawoid wrote:
I did know that Morgause was really the “bad” one, but I think more people are familiar with Morgan le Fay. But either way, I think it would be really interesting if they decided to go that route for Tamara’s FLT character (if she indeed has one).
Morgause is not “really the bad one” at all, though. In fact, Morgawse, who appears in the legend as far back as Geoffrey of Monmouth (named Anna there) was never the “Queen of Air and Darkness” (as T.H. White calls her) until mostly more modern renditions that shift the antagonistic role away from Morgan le Fay. In traditional texts, Morgawse’s role is mostly just as Lot’s Queen and mother of the Orkney clan (Gawaine, Agravaine, Gareth, Gaheris, Mordred) – yes, Mordred is Arthur’s ultimate downfall, but traditionally their incest was due to ignorance of their familial relation, no sinister planning of Morgause’s as I think occurs in White.
Though Morgan le Fay has appeared in many different forms, her most traditionally known identity is as an enemy of Guinevere, of Arthur, and of the Round Table, for varying reasons. It’s true that OUAT could go the Marion Zimmer-Bradley route with Morgan, but I sincerely hope they do not, as villainess Morgan le Fay is one of my favorite characters in all of folklore.
It’s worth noting (if it hasn’t been already), I think, that Morgan means “dwells by the sea” and Tamara was a water goddess in ancient Britain. I really hope Tamara ends up being Morgan, but there’s another Arthurian counterpart that I feel works almost as well, one we’ve already even had a OUAT episode named after: Nimue (or Viviane), the Lady of the Lake.
In said episode, Lancelot mentions in passing that his mother raised him by a lake. Traditionally, Lancelot is not even raised by his mother, but by the Lady of the Lake, who takes him as a toddler and raises as her own. Phee mentioned the possibility of having everyone from the traditionally British Arthurian realm be African American, but Lancelot is not traditionally from the same land as Arthur – he travels from his homeland of France to do great deeds at Arthur’s court. It could be that Lancelot’s kingdom (Benoic or Benwick) is African American, as exhibited by Lancelot and his adoptive mother, Tamara, the Lady of the Lake.
Though it’s sometimes done by Morgan, it is traditionally Nimue/Viviane who seduces Merlin into teaching her magic and then traps him in a cave or a tree, powerless to escape. The Curse of the Empty Hearted is exactly the type of thing someone might need to trick a powerful wizard like Merlin into teaching you all of his secrets just because you’ve got a pretty face, just saying.
It’s also worth noting that it has been speculated by scholars that the Lady of the Lake and Morgan le Fay, who are both said alternately to be the Lady of Avalon (depending on the text), may have originated from the same legendary source and thus were originally one character, so I don’t suppose it would be entirely out of the range of possibility for Tamara to be both Nimue and Morgan le Fay, either.
…That ended up being longer than intended. Oops.
Keeper of Zelena's witch hat and the Black Fairy's wand.
@SirMedraut wrote:
…That ended up being longer than intended. Oops.
It’s easy to ramble when it comes to topics like this. 🙂 I find all the Arthurian legend stuff fascinating, but get easily confused because of all the different versions.
I guess at the end of the day, the chances of Tamara being some incarnation of Morgana (just realised those two names sorta end similarly) will depend on if they intend to bring Lancelot back still alive. I hope they do though, before the end of the season, because revisiting those in present day FTL would connect the start of the season to its end nicely, and K&H have said that the beginning of the season will fit better once we’ve seen the end.
Good point Phee about K&H comments about connecting the beginning and end of the season.
I am not familiar with Arthur legends. I start reading it after Erin and Phee posted the possibility of Tamara being Morgana. Arthur legends is very fascinating to read and, I am sue, to watch. Since there are so many versions of Morgana, it will be interesting to watch the OUaT version of Morgana and the fall of Lancelot from the round table.
I listened to OUaT Official podcast on Lady of the Lake episode. About 10:40 of the podcast, K&H mentioned that it is a story to be told about how Lancelot the most honored knight of the round table become a work for hire to King George.
Anyone listened to that podcast? What do you think?
Anyone listened to that podcast? What do you think?
I just re-listened to that one as well. If they want to tie everything that’s happened this season together then yes, they would have to explain how Lancelot came to work for George. I really hope we get a full cast list of 2×22 soon. That would help a lot of things.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"…That ended up being longer than intended. Oops.
That tends to happen a lot around here, no worries. 😀
And it was a fascinating read. I love Arthurian legend, but not as informed as you are!
Though Morgan le Fay has appeared in many different forms, her most traditionally known identity is as an enemy of Guinevere, of Arthur, and of the Round Table, for varying reasons. It’s true that OUAT could go the Marion Zimmer-Bradley route with Morgan, but I sincerely hope they do not, as villainess Morgan le Fay is one of my favorite characters in all of folklore.
I was going to bring this up too. The Mists of Avalon is fantastic, but I think I want Morgan to be more of a villain as well.
It’s worth noting (if it hasn’t been already), I think, that Morgan means “dwells by the sea” and Tamara was a water goddess in ancient Britain. I really hope Tamara ends up being Morgan, but there’s another Arthurian counterpart that I feel works almost as well, one we’ve already even had a OUAT episode named after: Nimue (or Viviane), the Lady of the Lake.
😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 That’s really interesting, but does it make Tamara a good person? Cause that would ruin many of my theories. 😆
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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