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@PriceofMagic wrote:
The Joker is such an iconic role though so it’s not really fair to compare that with Tamara’s role as a villain.
SwanFire shippers hated Tamara the moment she was introduced because she would be standing in the way of Emma and Bae getting together. Most of the fanbase hates her after her actions in Selfless, Brave and True. They need to give her some sort reason as to why she’s doing what she is other than “because she’s evil” especially in this show where “evil isn’t born, it’s made”.
But I would be glad if for once there is a villain that his evil just for the sake of it. Every baddy in the show is bad because of a sad or tragic background. Having a new one and then explaining that she is like that because her moma was killed in front of her or something like that, it would be lame and ridiculous. It not because “Evil isn’t born, it’s made” that it’s a reason valid enough to overuse it.
[adrotate group="5"]@PriceofMagic wrote:
Spike started as a villain and had a bit of a sob story past revealed in later seasons. Of course by that time, he wasn’t evil anymore.
I think the reason why the Buffy villains got away with just being pure evil and were still liked was because they were so charismatic and had a sense of humour. Spike was originally meant to be a villain killed off during season 2 but he was so popular with the fanbase that he was kept on the show. When Buffy kicked him into the Organ, he was meant to die but because of his popularity they injured him instead. In some ways I actually prefer season 2 evil Spike over Chip in the head Spike.
Tamara lacks that certain something that makes her likeable as a villain. A good villain is one where you know the hero is going to win, but you kind of hope the villain wins instead. With Tamara, I want the heroes to hurry up and beat her.
I didn’t mention Spike originally because, in the end, he wasn’t the Big Bad of season 2, but yeah, they did reveal a sob story for him. Then again, by the time they did that, he was a main character already, and multifaced main characters are a must.
Yeah, Tamara does lack that certain something, and the fact that they’re not even trying that, relying solely on sob stories, really annoys me.
@Ser_Dragon wrote:
But I would be glad if for once there is a villain that his evil just for the sake of it. Every baddy in the show is bad because of a sad or tragic background. Having a new one and then explaining that she is like that because her moma was killed in front of her or something like that, it would be lame and ridiculous. It not because “Evil isn’t born, it’s made” that it’s a reason valid enough to overuse it.
Tamara lacks that certain something that makes her likeable as a pure evil villain. A good villain is one where you know the hero is going to win, but you kind of hope the villain wins instead. With Tamara, I want the heroes to hurry up and beat her.
People liked Regina as a villain before she was given a tragic backstory in The Stable boy. Tamara lacks that likability factor that Regina had.
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Keeper of Felix@lilysmom wrote:
I bet it has something to do with her grandmother. Maybe she was raised by her, and something bad happened to her. Which begs the question, what happened to her parents?
I’m thinking the grandmother was Cinderella’s godmother that Rumple killed. I was rewatching “The Queen of Hearts and in the mines when Gold is stealing the diamonds, he says something interesting:
Regina: How much do we need?
Mr. Gold: All of it.
Regina: How are we going to do that?
Mr. Gold: With a little help from a fairy. Dead One. Believe me, no one mourns her.
That little comment and how he added it just stood out. It might not mean anything, but I’m thinking it does. I got a tingly feeling hearing him say those words. I always hoped we’d eventually find out more about Cinderella’s fairy godmother and why Rumple thought she was evil, so maybe now we’ll finally get our chance. Don’t quite have the logistics of how she could be Tamara’s grandmother, but there is something fishy going on.
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