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The Anchor Around His Neck

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Five › 5×10 “Broken Heart” › The Anchor Around His Neck

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  • November 30, 2015 at 8:37 pm #313275
    RumplesGirl
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    Honestly, a big issue with Dark Hook is that this should have been developed over the course of a lot more episodes

    Hinting at it in any meaningful way would have been nice.

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    November 30, 2015 at 9:28 pm #313282
    MatthewPaul
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    Hinting at it in any meaningful way would have been nice.

    The only possible hint that comes to mind was when Hook almost touched Excalibur in “Dreamcatcher”, as if he was being drawn to it, but was stopped.

    November 30, 2015 at 9:33 pm #313283
    RumplesGirl
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    RumplesGirl wrote:

    Hinting at it in any meaningful way would have been nice.

    The only possible hint that comes to mind was when Hook almost touched Excalibur in “Dreamcatcher”, as if he was being drawn to it, but was stopped.

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    Shockingly, they didn’t introduce a magical Mcguffin that would lessen the Dark One symptoms (sudden magic, rage, voices, no sleeping) to explain why Hook didn’t experience any of these things

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    November 30, 2015 at 9:44 pm #313284
    MatthewPaul
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    Shockingly, they didn’t introduce a magical Mcguffin that would lessen the Dark One symptoms (sudden magic, rage, voices, no sleeping) to explain why Hook didn’t experience any of these things

    Nope, instead apparently Emma’s dreamcatcher magic was powerful enough to make Hook forget and not notice the symptoms. Apparently memory charms are something she picked up from her Foster-Mother Ingrid, except she uses dreamcatchers instead of rock troll magic.

    November 30, 2015 at 11:05 pm #313290
    nevermore
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    In my analogy, the dark force is the one practicing abuser behavior, in order to manipulate and control Hook.

    I agree with what you’re saying in terms of the mechanics of Hook’s ‘endarkenment.’ The problem is that the DO curse has been a running metaphor for a number of really different issues. In the first part of this season, it was a stand in for mental illness (Emma hearing voices). With Nimue, it an ‘evil’ trait (vengefulness) made (magical) flesh. With Rumple, it was a metaphor for addiction. With Hook, it appears to be about a flawed man being slowly overtaken by an alien entity that’s eclipsing his original personality and eventually “puppeteering” him. It’s, literally, a “third” character.

    But that’s not how OUAT has taught us to approach the DO curse over the last 4 seasons — since we never had access to Rumple’s internal monologue, just to what he said to others and what he did, he was easy to blame. But now with this new twist, we are apparently asked to feel sympathetic for Hook, when 1) there’s nothing redeeming about Hook’s DO persona and 2) the show has consistently portrayed the only DO we have known up until this season (Rumple) not as the victim, but as someone who brought it on themselves. Sure, unlike Rumple, Hook didn’t choose this, it was Emma’s doing. But if we’ve learned anything, it’s that once you’re the DO, you get really good at coming up with excuses for why you should act in ways that seem to further the darkness’s goals. But as @PriceofMagic wrote above, what’s good for the goose…

    The other thing that I don’t understand is if these Head!DOs are so darn motivated to get the “light snuffing” show on the road, how did Rumple manage to “stall” them for so long? Two hundred or so years of nagging DOs is a long time.

    November 30, 2015 at 11:11 pm #313292
    RumplesGirl
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    The other thing that I don’t understand is if these Head!DOs are so darn motivated to get the “light snuffing” show on the road, how did Rumple manage to “stall” them for so long? Two hundred or so years of nagging DOs is a long time.

    I’d like to say it’s because the love of his son outweighed the nagging of those pesky DOs, but let’s face it: plot.

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    November 30, 2015 at 11:24 pm #313297
    TheWatcher
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    The other thing that I don’t understand is if these Head!DOs are so darn motivated to get the “light snuffing” show on the road, how did Rumple manage to “stall” them for so long? Two hundred or so years of nagging DOs is a long time.

    They probably were. Rumpel did say spinning gold helped clear his mind or something right? Emma did her whole dreamcatcher thing to ease her head. Perhaps the key is to get a hobby and eventually Nimue just stopped urking him when she realized his drive to get the curse casted and get back to his son was more powerful than anything else and I guess she’d have just waited until the next dark one came along.

     

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    November 30, 2015 at 11:30 pm #313298
    RumplesGirl
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    Rumpel did say spinning gold helped clear his mind or something right? Emma did her whole dreamcatcher thing to ease her head.

    He said he spun gold as a hobby in S5. But back in S1, it was to help him forget (read: about Neal)

    eventually Nimue just stopped urking him when she realized his drive to get the curse casted and get back to his son was more powerful than anything else and I guess she’d have just waited until the next dark one came along.

    That doesn’t seem to match the Dark Ones though. Nimue and everyone are relentless; this is something they need to happen and Darkness has little patience, hence trying to seduce all the New Dark Ones as soon they become the Dark One. Who knows how long Rumple could last after finding Nealfire? It could theoretically be forever. Simply saying “ah, well. we failed with one. We’ll just wait for the next” seems unlikely, IMO

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