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steliokontos1 wrote: Before this episode I thought Pinocchio had a whole lot to answer for now some how he made it even worse?! I felt some sympathy for him turning back into wood and being ashamed to see his father but now I get why he’s ashamed. He took away the only person Emma knew that cared about her robbed her of her cash & split leaving her with nothing but a stolen yellow bug. He’s just a horrible, horrible big brother!
Pinocchio, by nature, is a liar. He even said there were too many temptations in this world for someone with his nature to avoid them. I also had some sympathy for him leaving baby Emma since he was only 7, but for adult August to talk “Neal” into leaving and then setting Emma up for prison is way too harsh! He then took the 20K and split to Thailand?! WTH Pinocchio?! I hope Charming and/or “Neal” punches August in the jaw! I think the writers intentionally are making Pinocchio to be the one we place blame on, since they want to preserve “Neal’s” reputation as more sympathetic for leaving teenage Emma (especially since “Neal” IS Emma’s true love, Henry’s dad, and could be Baelfire).
Faux Pax wrote: I wouldn’t call him horrible. I would call him a douche though. Am I the only one that hopes he can start to make up for all the crap he’s pulled? I mean i know it won’t be easy, but if Regina and Rumple can pull it off…
Phee wrote: WORD, if Rumple and Regina can get a redemption arc, then so can Pinocchio. I wonder if in the end, it’ll be something that he does that eventually brings Emma and Neal back together again for their happily ever after.I agree that if Mr. and Ms. Evil can be redeemed, so can a deceitful puppet. I hope he does something big to help get Emma and Snow White home again. We already saw August make good on his word to send a postcard to “Neal” once the curse was broken. He said he’d let Neal know once Emma had fulfilled her destiny. Mission accomplished.
And I also think Pinocchio and the BF are working together. Those cryptic tweets about August’s motivation for sending away Neal and wanting Emma in prison must be connecting to Henry coming to SB. I wonder if Mr. Gold knows how Henry came to be in Regina’s custody. Does he think that the savior’s child ended up in SB as a result of the curse?!
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
The sad part about it all is that everything comes back to Bae being the magic world’s whipping boy. Think about it. Rumple went darkside to keep Bae from fighting in a war that he was willing to fight in (he wouldn’t have liked it, but he didn’t really want to run from it). The dark one terrifies Bae so much that he has to run away (see his note from untold stories and possibly Neal’s quick response to when Emma explains dream catchers), but Rumple is too scared to come with him. Now Rumple has devised this curse to get back to Bae, and in turn winds up screwing up his son’s life AGAIN with magic.
It kind of reminds me of when Regina was asking for Gold’s help to save Henry in the Finale:
G: “all magic comes with a price”
R: “Henry shouldn’t have to pay it”
G: “No, you should, but alas we are where we are”It’s the same thing, but Bae has always been the one to pay for Rumple’s magic. It’s another thing that’s going to make their reunion so juicy. I really hope that Bae doesn’t reveal himself until after he finds out more of the ugly things Rumple/gold has done like risking Henry to bring back Magic (I kind of want the revelation about what happened to Millah to happen AFTER the reunion–it would bump whatever relationship they have been able to build back down into the negative numbers.
As for Blue, I really hope she is just reacting with skill to what life is handing her rather then actively manipulating things. I mean, splitting them up and later finding out about Henry (and then adjusting her plan accordingly) was one thing, but if she somehow wrote it into the spell or something like that…well that’s crossing a line i’m not sure i’m comfortable with.
Speaking of lines i’m not comfortable with, I hope they explain why Bae and Emma are OTLs and it better not have anything to do with BF or Rumple’s design (or Bae DNA getting on the curse parchment–as some have speculated). To me that just cheapens their relationship–makes it manufactured and inorganic–and they are just too cute together for that.
@Faux Pax wrote:
The sad part about it all is that everything comes back to Bae being the magic world’s whipping boy. Think about it. Rumple went darkside to keep Bae from fighting in a war that he was willing to fight in (he wouldn’t have liked it, but he didn’t really want to run from it). The dark one terrifies Bae so much that he has to run away (see his note from untold stories and possibly Neal’s quick response to when Emma explains dream catchers), but Rumple is too scared to come with him. Now Rumple has devised this curse to get back to Bae, and in turn winds up screwing up his son’s life AGAIN with magic.
It kind of reminds me of when Regina was asking for Gold’s help to save Henry in the Finale:
G: “all magic comes with a price”
R: “Henry shouldn’t have to pay it”
G: “No, you should, but alas we are where we are”It’s the same thing, but Bae has always been the one to pay for Rumple’s magic. It’s another thing that’s going to make their reunion so juicy. I really hope that Bae doesn’t reveal himself until after he finds out more of the ugly things Rumple/gold has done like risking Henry to bring back Magic (I kind of want the revelation about what happened to Millah to happen AFTER the reunion–it would bump whatever relationship they have been able to build back down into the negative numbers.
Wonderful post, FauxPas. I had thought about Bae’s almost cursed life being the price that Rumple’s magic has cost, but I totally forgot about what Rumple said to Regina in the finale. Just love how the writers are able to connect grandfather, father, and son there, and I am really looking forward to seeing Rumple be on the other end of that realization when he learns about what happened to Bae.
I swear every time I think I’m getting my emotions in check again after last night, then I think of something or read something else, that has me a wreck again. (I know Bae, Emma, and Henry will have a happy ending, but it’s going to be so hard to wait for that.)
Like this post for instance, I knew magic made a mess out of Bae’s life before, but he just can’t catch a break even later on in life. Then, there was the keepsakes that both Emma and Bae kept of each other. Then, the keepsakes made me sad because I knew then Emma spent two years in Tallahassee not because she enjoyed it but because she was hoping Neal would turn up. The dream catcher made me think of Bae’s apartment, and how he had those posters above his bed of the West, and I was like, “aw, he did that because that was the time he was happiest life and still thinks of Emma all the time.” Then, someone pointed out the keychain near Bae in the convenience store that said Henry on it. Then, I was thinking about how I wanted to see Emma and Bae be the ones to comfort Henry when he has nightmares. Then, I was thinking about if Bae comes to Storybrooke soon, it will have been 11 months that Emma spent in jail, and that it’s been 11 years since the last time Bae saw Emma. (I think the math is right on that.)
I knew this episode was going to kill me, but I really didn’t expect it to be so bad. (I just hope they don’t mess around with SwanThief/SwanFire like they did Snowing. Emma and Bae have enough other problems, imo, that I don’t think they have to try to find ways to separate them and bring them back together every season.)
As for Blue, I really hope she is just reacting with skill to what life is handing her rather then actively manipulating things. I mean, splitting them up and later finding out about Henry (and then adjusting her plan accordingly) was one thing, but if she somehow wrote it into the spell or something like that…well that’s crossing a line i’m not sure i’m comfortable with.
Speaking of lines i’m not comfortable with, I hope they explain why Bae and Emma are OTLs and it better not have anything to do with BF or Rumple’s design (or Bae DNA getting on the curse parchment–as some have speculated). To me that just cheapens their relationship–makes it manufactured and inorganic–and they are just too cute together for that.
Yes, I’m not really sure how far they’ll go with the Blue Fairy, but someone at Fan Forums pointed out that it seems like the Charmings are cursed too. So I wonder if that’s tied to true love that Snow and Charming have and that Bae and Emma have, and the Blue Fairy needing to test them to make sure she found the right couple or perhaps right child in order to do something. Like I’ve wrote elsewhere, I think Emma is the heroine, but there has to be something important about Henry too since he’s the child of both Bae and Emma.
Well I think that their love is definitely real and not manipulated because no magic can create that, but I could see the Blue Fairy working behind the scenes to manipulate them in place. I don’t think she knew it would be true love between them, but maybe she needed them to meet for something to happen like there’s a prophecy or something. Mmm, well that might be too far fetched because they haven’t talked about one at all, but for whatever agenda is, they’re a part of it. Of course, they probably won’t go into why they fell in love because I think they showed last night that it was organic and not because of other forces trying to push them together even if they it turns out that someone was working behind the scenes.
If you think about it August did the right thing, all he was doing was trying to right the wrong he did by leaving emma in the orphanage all alone. If he didnt split up the couple then emma would have never given up henry for adoption, she would be too easy to manipulate and she wouldnt have had the courage to do most of the things she has done. If you think about it, prison made her strong and independant, if she didnt go to prison she would have never formed the barrier she has when it comes to trusting people. This barrier has saved her multiple times in SB. Yes what august did was bad but he had to make sure that emma grew up independent and strong so that whatever she faced in SB she could face and win.
@bfilipe wrote:
If you think about it August did the right thing, all he was doing was trying to right the wrong he did by leaving emma in the orphanage all alone. If he didnt split up the couple then emma would have never given up henry for adoption, she would be too easy to manipulate and she wouldnt have had the courage to do most of the things she has done. If you think about it, prison made her strong and independant, if she didnt go to prison she would have never formed the barrier she has when it comes to trusting people. This barrier has saved her multiple times in SB. Yes what august did was bad but he had to make sure that emma grew up independent and strong so that whatever she faced in SB she could face and win.
Kind of backfired on him when he ended up turning back into wood didn’t it? Maybe you could pass him splitting up Neal from Emma but what about that bit about him taking her money and leaving her to go to Phuket? What about that thing Emma said “which curse is worse” Pinocchio was suppose to be there for her and he neglected his priorities more than once leaving Emma to pay for his mistakes.
I don’t blame him for splitting on Emma when he was 7, and I get his reasons for making Neal leave her. If she settled down with him, she wouldn’t have gotten to Storybrooke, not that it makes him less of a jerk. But what REALLY gets me is that the (insert rude name here) kept the money!! I mean…DUDE! I do really think that he is why Gold acquired Henry for Regina.
Well I think that their love is definitely real and not manipulated because no magic can create that, but I could see the Blue Fairy working behind the scenes to manipulate them in place.
What i’m worried about is more along the lines of them writing it into the curse that the savour have a child or something like that–something to eventually draw her into Storybrooke.
I’m really hoping that Neal and Emma’s love is a wild card–something that for all Rumple’s planning and Blue’s preparations, neither of them could have predicted or manipulated into being. The alpha and omega, the beginning and the end of the curse together.
Perhaps that particular bit of true love has a magic all its own. Perhaps it (or the product of it) can do what Rumple never cared to factor into his plains and something Blue never dreamed could be possible: Restore the other realms.
Perhaps that’s Henry’s own special destiny…
Or maybe i’m letting my imagination run away with me, but it’s fun to think about. 😆
@Faux Pax wrote:
Well I think that their love is definitely real and not manipulated because no magic can create that, but I could see the Blue Fairy working behind the scenes to manipulate them in place.
What i’m worried about is more along the lines of them writing it into the curse that the savour have a child or something like that–something to eventually draw her into Storybrooke.
I’m really hoping that Neal and Emma’s love is a wild card–something that for all Rumple’s planning and Blue’s preparations, neither of them could have predicted or manipulated into being. The alpha and omega, the beginning and the end of the curse together.
Perhaps that particular bit of true love has a magic all its own. Perhaps it (or the product of it) can do what Rumple never cared to factor into his plains and something Blue never dreamed could be possible: Restore the other realms.
Perhaps that’s Henry’s own special destiny…
Or maybe i’m letting my imagination run away with me, but it’s fun to think about. 😆
Yeah that would really suck more if Henry wasn’t planned then August must have found out about him then they amended the plan to use Henry to lure Emma to Storybrooke.
@WeWereCursed! wrote:
I don’t blame him for splitting on Emma when he was 7, and I get his reasons for making Neal leave her. If she settled down with him, she wouldn’t have gotten to Storybrooke, not that it makes him less of a jerk. But what REALLY gets me is that the (insert rude name here) kept the money!! I mean…DUDE! I do really think that he is why Gold acquired Henry for Regina.
Oh I blame him for that too! He himself can’t even justify doing any of the things he does! I know the responsibility he has to get Emma to break the curse but he did it in the most horrible way possible.
@steliokontos1 wrote:
Ok you ditch Emma at seven and unlike many I don’t give you a pass on that, your freaking Pinocchio you know what it means to follow through with your promises you not just any ordinary child. Then you completely go over the line and show up 17 years later just to break Emma’s heart, give her trust issues for life (See what she did when she was getting close to Hook) and leave her alone again? Not to mention that Neal left Emma a whole lot of cash so she can take care of herself and what does he do?! Takes the cash and bounces to Phuket?! Seriously?! Now it seems like Pinocchio also set it up for Emma’s baby to go to Mr. Gold in Storybrooke just to lure her there! Guardian Angel? He straight manipulated her! I know she had to break the curse, her destiny, his mission all that. I just hate that he got her to do it in the most shady way possible! Ok I’m done
Booth needs to make an appointment with the Cricket!!
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