The BASH Pinocchio/August Thread!

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If Emma was still with Neal she wouldn’t have become the person she is now as Phe stated. Emma had to be strong otherwise she would not have stayed when Regina threatened her and everything else that happened to her whilst she stayed in Storybrooke. What happened with Neal would’ve been tough for her, but its not what she needed to grow up. I just think that August is copping to much hate for sticking to his responsibilities and having good intentions.

Also, I don’t believe in destiny. That would mean we have no control over our actions and therefore no real free will.

Isn’t one of the themes in the show about destiny.. It was Emma’s destiny to be the saviour, but she still had control over her actions. She made her own choice to save the town and fulfill her destiny, she could’ve easily walked away- which she almost did.

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@EvilQueen wrote:

@Phee wrote:

If she, Neal and baby Henry were happily living free in Tallahassee, then the inhabitants of SB were stuck and Emma wouldn’t have discovered who she really is or found her parents.

Oh, and why couldn’t Neal just stay with them and bring Emma to SB himself? Obiviously he believed August so why did have to just leave rather than work with August on trying to convince Emma to believe?

If they ended up with a happy life, living together, with their kid, why would Neal risk losing that by trying to convince her of the curse and that she had to go to SB to break it? First of all, that would be a potentially dangerous mission, that could put all three of their lives at risk, so if they were happy and safe, why risk that? Also, if she didn’t believe, and he knew she likely wouldn’t because the whole thing sounds nuts, then that would cause friction between them, possibly causing him to lose her.

Also, if we go with the assumption that he’s Bae, he may not necessarily want to go to SB to deal with his father again, knowing it’d likely just lead to even more heartbreak for him. If he’s not Bae, then does he have enough of an emotional attachment to the SB residents to risk his own stable life for their sake?

Considering all of those points, would he absolutely positively make sure Emma got there? Doubtful IMO.

Whatever August showed him, convinced him that Emma’s task was something that had to be done. It also convinced him that the only way it would definitely happen is if he removed himself from the equation. He didn’t just walk away because August told him to. He walked away because he believed it’s what had to be done.

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of course Emma wouldn’t have become the person she is now. But would she have to face all the problems she does now? No, because Regina would take NO NOTICE of her so Emma wouldn’t have to be as strong as is now.
It feels silly that the one and only solution is to leave her and let her sit in the prison – he’s not only lost her but also made her hate him, is this really that much better than losing her later on while he tries to get her to SB? It wouldn’t have to be a forced arrival there anyway, they could randomly go for holidays to SB, I’m sure Neal would find good excuses for that and for staying a bit longer. And well, if Regina threatened Emma THEN, I’m sure she would be strong enough to defend herself because she would at least be a mother fighting for her child (I’m assuming that if Neal had stayed, they would’ve kept the baby) and that’s one hell of a power!

Neal running away and putting her in prison had made the situation worse, I think, because it made Emma lose all the hope and trust she had left for the people and that made it so much harder for her to believe what later Henry and August had to say!

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@EvilQueen wrote:

I don’t actually think that August works for the good side. We don’t really know why but he ruined young Emma’s life and when he came back to SB to convince her FTL was real, it was only because he was changing back into wood so again, just being selfish. I’m sure at some point he’s had good intentions but I think they are long gone, we’ve seen how bad he is with this world’s temptations! The writers sort of hold this image of ‘Emma’s guardian angel’ and that he must have had good reasons to do what he did, since we remember him being actually the good guy in season 1 but I truly believe they are just toying with us and he must be on orders of some evil sorcerer.

I know that K&H have said that she’s not evil, but I still think that the Blue Fairy has had her hand in everything from the beginning for whatever reason that the audience does not know about. I don’t know what that reason is yet, but after Tallahassee, I changed my mind from believing that she didn’t have her memories and that August must have been working with Bae, to believing that it was indeed the Blue Fairy, August was working with. Otherwise, August wouldn’t have known about Rumple’s Dagger, about Rumple’s son Bae, or know about Henry’s book to put his own story into it. He most likely wouldn’t have had the box and whatever was in it either.

of course Emma wouldn’t have become the person she is now. But would she have to face all the problems she does now? No, because Regina would take NO NOTICE of her so Emma wouldn’t have to be as strong as is now.
It feels silly that the one and only solution is to leave her and let her sit in the prison – he’s not only lost her but also made her hate him, is this really that much better than losing her later on while he tries to get her to SB? It wouldn’t have to be a forced arrival there anyway, they could randomly go for holidays to SB, I’m sure Neal would find good excuses for that and for staying a bit longer. And well, if Regina threatened Emma THEN, I’m sure she would be strong enough to defend herself because she would at least be a mother fighting for her child (I’m assuming that if Neal had stayed, they would’ve kept the baby) and that’s one hell of a power!

Neal running away and putting her in prison had made the situation worse, I think, because it made Emma lose all the hope and trust she had left for the people and that made it so much harder for her to believe what later Henry and August had to say!

Yes, I think it’s definitely poetic justice for August for his part in making Emma into the person that she is now that is weary of trusting and believing people that she wasn’t able to ever believe that he was telling the truth about her destiny. If he had just left things alone instead of interfering, Emma would still have been brought to Storybrooke somehow because it was meant to be like no matter how hard Oedipus avoided trying to sleep with his mother or killing his father, but instead of being a cynical, world weary Emma, she’d more likely be in a position where she had Neal and Henry who could help her believe and accept her destiny much sooner and probably restored everyone’s memories a lot sooner, imo, and August wouldn’t have turned back into a puppet.

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@AntBee wrote:

Yes, I think it’s definitely poetic justice for August for his part in making Emma into the person that she is now that is weary of trusting and believing people that she wasn’t able to ever believe that he was telling the truth about her destiny. If he had just left things alone instead of interfering, Emma would still have been brought to Storybrooke somehow because it was meant to be like no matter how hard Oedipus avoided trying to sleep with his mother or killing his father, but instead of being a cynical, world weary Emma, she’d more likely be in a position where she had Neal and Henry who could help her believe and accept her destiny much sooner and probably restored everyone’s memories a lot sooner, imo, and August wouldn’t have turned back into a puppet.

That could be a logical argument, that Emma may have been brought to Storybrook somehow if it was destined to happen. However, it could be more likely that everything August did was actually part of Emma’s destined path, that Henry had to be given up and thus ended up with Regina. After looking into theories of the Blue Fairy, I have come to believe that she may be the true puppet master 😆

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