The Blue Fairy (Bad!) & the Curse (Avoidable!)

[riddleraven]

In “The Return” Rumple demanded the Blue Fairy find a way to get him to Bae. They listed several things and finally he came up with a curse. She said, “Figures you would think of a curse instead of a blessing” and “You’d be willing to sacrifice this world for the next?!”

So Rumple was willing to use ANY means to get to his son. That means it did not have to be the curse! An alternative method would have been better, actually, because it wouldn’t have taken him centuries to use like the curse.

So why didn’t the Blue Fairy come up with an alternative method for him? There is no good excuse for it! Even though Bae going through the bean without his father wasn’t technically her fault, two facts remain:
1) If not for her Bae wouldn’t have been separated from him.
2) She is the only one who knew what Rumple was planning with the curse.

I consider this woman his accomplice. If someone tells you they’re planning to do something despicable that will hurt everyone in the world and you KNOW they’re capable of doing it and you don’t do anything to stop them, you are guilty to. That’s what I believe.

Maybe she did try something, eventually, that we will see later. But I don’t believe it. Because there WAS a good way for Rumple to get to Bae without hurting everyone–the enchanted tree. And SHE is the one who came up with that plan. Why couldn’t she have come up with it centuries ago and approached Rumple with it? It’s not like it was that ingenius and difficult to think of! Didn’t it seem like she came up with that at the last minute?

Maybe she has an ulterior motive with the curse too. Or maybe it was fated to happen. But even if it was fated to happen, that’s not an excuse to do nothing!

Bah!!! *pies her in the face*

[Phee]

@Riddleraven wrote:

Bah!!! *pies her in the face*

Thankfully I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that, coz if I were it would have ended up all over the computer screen when I LOLd! 😆

I don’t think that he’d have accepted any alternative option she came up with. He hated her guts and didn’t trust her, so if she’d told him he could escape through a magical tree, he’d have thought it a trick that would kill him, and wouldn’t have done it. In that moment when he resolved to create that curse, Blue Fairy had no hope of ever stopping him or convincing him of another way to go about it.

[darcyfarrow]

I’m with you, Riddleraven. The woman is self-righteous, inhumane and shortsighted. I figured the only reason she didn’t help was that she thought Bae should be separated from a bad influence and Rumple should be punished for allowing the Dark One to trick him. If she had said, “I can help” to Rumple as she did to Bae, I think he would have gladly swallowed his pride to accept. Perhaps not immediately, but surely : the curse is evidence of how much he was willing to sacrifice to find Bae.

Perhaps that’s the difference between being “good” and being “right.” But now that it’s in the past, BF/MS and Gold are going to have to make peace and an alliance to fight Regina. I feel it in my bones that MS knows where Bae is. If she could only have heard Gold’s contrition as he asked forgiveness from Faux Bae–surely years of living as a human have taught her humanity and years living as a nun have taught her humility?

[hjbau]

I disagree. I think the only reason that Rumpel was willing to sacrifice anything was because of what he did to Bae, letting him go. The Blue Fairy tried to help Rumpel initially by sending him with Bae to a world without magic so that he could live curse free and he refused to go because he wanted his power so much. I still don’t think the Blue Fairy has done anything wrong in this situation.

[nonnie]

@hjbau wrote:

I disagree. I think the only reason that Rumpel was willing to sacrifice anything was because of what he did to Bae, letting him go. The Blue Fairy tried to help Rumpel initially by sending him with Bae to a world without magic so that he could live curse free and he refused to go because he wanted his power so much. I still don’t think the Blue Fairy has done anything wrong in this situation.

I DO NOT BLAME RUMPLE for being afraid of jumping in the vortex / hole where BAEL was trying to lead him….. He learned from his first mistake… killing the DARK ONE/ making a DEAL he did not understand….. LOOK WHERE THAT GOT HIM…

I think part of Gold/ Rumple’s charms is he learned from his mistakes… he started using the brains he had and learned to LOOK BEFORE HE LEAPS… He never does anything without thinking everything through….He no longer lets his emotions loose to run rampant

N

[hjbau]

He didn’t trust Bae though. And he promised Bae that he would try to get rid of his power. And he was too afraid when it came down to it. And he also just let go of Bae’s hand. It is his fault even if i understand that he was afraid. I still think he made a mistake and it is his fault. And i still don’t see Rumpel as any sort of ethical being. He feels no responsibility towards other people at all only towards Bae and his desire to find Bae. That is all he cares about and is willing to do whatever to get that.

[PriceofMagic]

@hjbau wrote:

He didn’t trust Bae though. And he promised Bae that he would try to get rid of his power. And he was too afraid when it came down to it. And he also just let go of Bae’s hand. It is his fault even if i understand that he was afraid. I still think he made a mistake and it is his fault. And i still don’t see Rumpel as any sort of ethical being. He feels no responsibility towards other people at all only towards Bae and his desire to find Bae. That is all he cares about and is willing to do whatever to get that.

It was Rumpel’s fault that he let go of Bae but he regretted it the moment the portal disappeared. You can’t really blame him for being a little hesitant about the portal especially when he knew it was from the blue fairy, there’s more to her than meets the eye. Rumpel’s main concern was that it would split him and Baelfire up (which it did anyway) and I think his fear was less about losing his powers (though he did want to keep them) and more about what was going to happen to him and Bae when they went through that portal. As NONNIE pointed out Rumpel learned from his mistake with killing the dark one, how did he know that the portal was going to do what the Blue Fairy told Bae it was going to do? It was that one moment of weakness that cost Rumpel dearly.

Whilst Rumpel creating the curse was unethical, it was also understandable. He’s a parent searching for his lost child and as far as he’s concerned that’s all that matters. Everybody in fairytale land hates him and fears him so why should he care about anyone else other than Bae. I think Belle was a bit of a curveball for him. He’d gotten so used to being alone and unloved that he couldn’t quite believe it that Belle could actually care for him. When he let her go, he expected never to see her again and when she did return he even asked her why she came back. I think he was always looking for something to prove that Belle didn’t love him and when Belle said “any curse can be broken”, he took that has confirmation that his suspicions were right hence why he went off on one. He thought he was being tricked and at this point in time he needed his powers to create the curse to find Bae so he didn’t want to lose them.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[hjbau]

I don’t blame him for being hesitant. I blame him for letting go of Bae. He let go of Bae’s hand and pulled back and let his son fall into a glowing green portal that he himself was afraid of and Rumpel did that to save himself. It seems like everyone thinks it is reasonable that he do anything to get back his son, i do not think that, but even if that were true, Rumpel let Bae go into what he perceived as danger so i actually think Bae was probably better off growing up away from his father. Rumpel may regret that decision, but he did it and it will always be between them.

It is like Snow sending Emma through the wardrobe. That will always be between Snow, Charming, and Emma, the whole why could you send me away. And Snow even did that for the best if intentions. To protect Emma from the curse and so that she could come back and save their world. Rumpel doesn’t even have that. His intentions were all fear of losing his power and lack of trust in Bae and just fear of what was going to happen next. There were no good intentions on Rumpel’s part.

And Rumpel can still be redeemed and even forgiven for what he did, but i think it has to come from a place of him realizing, really realizing that what he did was wrong. And i think that Rumpel just needs to stop harming other people to get what he wants. That just needs to stop. That was Bae’s biggest reason for wanting his father to no longer have power so that Rumpel would stop hurting people and Rumpel has not changed on that matter from what we have seen.

[Gaultheria]

@hjbau wrote:

He didn’t trust Bae though. And he promised Bae that he would try to get rid of his power. And he was too afraid when it came down to it. And he also just let go of Bae’s hand. It is his fault even if i understand that he was afraid. I still think he made a mistake and it is his fault. And i still don’t see Rumpel as any sort of ethical being. He feels no responsibility towards other people at all only towards Bae and his desire to find Bae. That is all he cares about and is willing to do whatever to get that.

Going through the portal with Bae would have been suicide for Rumpel, as far as his Dark One personality was concerned. He had to find a way to trick himself into crossing. The curse guaranteed him a position of power on this side, and that dealt with the fear of vulnerability that originally led him to become the Dark One.

In his magical form, Rumpel cared for his son, but he was amoral. Now that he’s been “clean” for 28 years, he might be able to feel more human remorse and ethics. All of those magical objects that he’s been collecting from his pawns, though, suggest that he hasn’t completely overcome his addiction.

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[riddleraven]

Good discussion!

I think Rumple did everything wrong that day, from breaking his promise, to letting Bae go, to deciding to curse the whole world. I see him as the bad guy in that, although I also see him as someone redeemable. He’s done some undeniably bad things though and he shouldve been stopped when it came to worldwide (even realmwide?) cursing. CURSING. Realm-wide. Jeez!

As for whether he wouldve accepted the BF’s tree idea or not, I think he would’ve eventually, though maybe not at first. Once again he was a Desperare Soul and he wouldn’t have waited centuries if there was a quicker method at his disposal. But even if I’m wrong about that, which I very well could be. I still just can’t forgive the BF if indeed she never tried to stop him. :/ Am I wrong to be so harsh on her? I just feel like most “good” people would not keep quiet about such a plot.

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