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There was a tweet from Adam the other day:
@ThatTownMonster ask what he used it for… That's your clue. #nospoilers
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) October 15, 2014
So the times Rumple actually uses the dagger to do things ARE relevant.
1. He used the dagger to kill Zoso. Duh. We know this is the one way to kill the DO (at least when magic is present) and makes the killer the new DO.
2. He used the dagger to summon the wraith in 201, when the wraith was still in FTL. I was rewatching that ep last night and I think the events may have been presented slightly out of sequence with the wraith between the two worlds–not sure–but at any rate, for some reason he needed the dagger.
3. He used the dagger to remove his own shadow in Neverland. Probably not an easy surgery.
4. He used the dagger to kill Peter Pan, killing himself in the process.
5. He used the dagger to kill Zelena, which had an interesting effect of changing her appearance and then shattering her into dust. (Why? Special effects?)
6. He used the dagger to open the hat, and didn’t return it afterwards (this seems to be what the tweet was referring to), which suggests he actually needs it for some reason to open or control the hat–or else why not return it to Belle, other than fear?
7. In the cut scene, he uses the dagger to scoop up the magic sand from the destroyed urn, claiming that (like the sparkly dust from the wardrobe which just needed to be reactivated to make a portal and the white hair from Marian that he turned into snowflakes in this ep) the magic had just changed forms. Since the urn’s power is to contain magical people, touching it with his bare hands may have actually been dangerous. We know that the hat’s power is similar.
Am I missing anything? I don’t think it shows a limit on his power–he doesn’t need the dagger to do magic, just to do certain things WITH magic.
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1. He also killed a bunch of the Duke’s Guards with it so it’s just a blunt weapon as well.
which suggests he actually needs it for some reason to open or control the hat–or else why not return it to Belle, other than fear?
Addiction. Straight up, easiest answer. He’s addicted to magic and once he took the dagger back from Belle that night, he kept it.
He doesn’t need it to do “little” spells–making things appear for example.
Everything he does with the dagger has some sort of nefarious tinge to it. It’s tied to darkness and “evil” doing.
So general magic = no dagger. Darker magic = dagger
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But when he scooped up the up the dirt from the urn, he borrowed it from Belle, so wasn’t it the fake one? Would the dirt have neutralized the real one?
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But when he scooped up the up the dirt from the urn, he borrowed it from Belle, so wasn’t it the fake one? Would the dirt have neutralized the real one? SFG
The DO power is one of the most powerful things we’ve seen in the show’s universe, so I don’t think it would have…but I do think that it was keeping the dirt away from Rumple himself. And you’re right, it would have been the fake dagger he was using, so he knew it was perfectly safe to do so.
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Everything he does with the dagger has some sort of nefarious tinge to it. It’s tied to darkness and “evil” doing. So general magic = no dagger. Darker magic = dagger
I agree.
I always thought that since RUMPLE had to wait almost 300 years to enact the curse … with Snow/ Charming and Regina… He spent that time becoming the RENAISSANCE MAN … learning as much about magic as he could….. After all he had that entire library to delve into while he waited…. I think the library in Storybrooke with all those magic books was from his original library.
Regina always thought she was more powerful but I really doubt that…. RUMPLE has a couple of hundred years on her and probably only taught her what he wanted her to know.
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Regina always thought she was more powerful but I really doubt that…. RUMPLE has a couple of hundred years on her and probably only taught her what he wanted her to know. Nonnie .
Oh probably yes.
Interesting point with the dagger being fake in the deleted scene with the urn. If he truly needed the dagger to “restore” the urn, wouldn’t he also need it to release the magic from Marian’s frozen lock of hair? I can’t imagine Rumple always carrying the real dagger with him and freezing everyone everytime he needed to switch the daggers if called upon.
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