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Robert Carlyle gave an interview in 2012 that hinted that the curse may have surprising origins.
“You realise that maybe Rumpelstiltskin [didn’t create the curse] for her at all – maybe he was doing it for himself. Maybe the curse was created for him.” – Robert Carlyle
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s181/once-upon-a-time/news/a369793/once-upon-a-time-robert-carlyle-hints-at-curse-twist.html[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I think more than a retcon this proves that the writers have never had a solid idea of how the DC and Rumple relate to each other. It’s always been back and forth–either it existed and he manipulated it, or he created it, or he found it…and so on and so forth. They played fast and loose until they finally came down on one side in this episode
I will say, retcon or not, if this leads to discovering more Dark Curse and Dark One lore, I’m actually all for that. Both had to originate from somewhere. Also, back in “The Return”, when Rumple pondered out loud about “a curse”, Blue responded as if she already knew of such a curse existing. So I think they’ve had the idea in their head that Rumple wasn’t the true originator of the Dark Curse since way back in Season 1, though it may not have been concrete. The back and forthness of saying Rumple “created the curse” and “found the curse” throughout the series is probably just a case of the writers not always being on the same page with one another. Doesn’t excuse it from happening in the first place, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
@MatthewPaul -I think you’re right in saying who created the curse is very much a fluid concept. Based on that interview I shared above, Robert Carlyle seemed to think in S1 tat the cruse was created for Rumple.
The one who assumed Rumple made the curse for her was Regina in S1 “The Return.”
Regina Mills: You created the curse for me, the curse that brought us here and built all this.
Mr. Gold: Yes, about time you said thank you.
Regina Mills: Why did you do it?
Mr. Gold: Well, you’re a smart woman, Your Majesty. Figure it out!In 3×11, Going Home, Rumple told Neal:
“I used the curse to find you, Bae, to make sure you had a chance at happiness. That happiness is possible, just not with me.”
Rumple said “used” and not created. In fact, I am having trouble thinking of when Rumple himself ever said he created the cruse. I actually don’t think he did.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
In fact, I am having trouble thinking of when Rumple himself ever said he created the curse. I actually don’t think he did.
Actually, he did. once. It was in the season one finale when Emma and Regina came into his shop looking for a way to save Henry. All other instances allude to Rumple as the creator of the Dark Curse.
Maleficent: Hidden for the good of all, old friend. Whoever created that monstrosity, makes the two of us look positively…moral. Who did give it to you? (The Thing You Love Most, 1×02)
Regina Mills: You created the curse for me, the curse that brought us here and built all this. (The Return, 1×19)
Mr. Gold: Oh, yes. From strands of your parents’ hair, I made the most powerful potion in all the realm. So powerful, that when I created the dark curse, I placed a single drop on the parchment. Just a little safety valve. (A Land Without Magic, 1×22)
From The Return (1×19). It sounds like here all he needed was the idea for the curse.
Blue Fairy: You will never make it to that world.
Rumpelstiltskin: Oh, I’ll find a way. There must be other paths. A realm jumper?
Blue Fairy: No.
Rumpelstiltskin: A time turner?
Blue Fairy: No.
Rumpelstiltskin: A mage?
Blue Fairy: There is no-
Rumpelstiltskin: A curse?
Blue Fairy: No.
Rumpelstiltskin: Ah! So, it is a curse.
Mr. Gold: Baelfire, is his name. After he left, I dedicated myself to finding him. I went down many, many paths. Until I found a curse that could take me to the land where he’d escaped. (The Crocodile, 2×04)
Presumably, Rumple meeting the Seer in 2×14 is after he attacks the Blue Fairy. I think what he learns here is that he wasn’t going to be the one to cast it and also, he won’t be the one to break it.
Seer: It will not be an easy path. It will take many years… And require a curse. A curse…powerful enough to rip everyone from this land….You will not cast the curse… Someone else will. And you will not break the curse… Someone else will. (Manhattan, 2×14).
Going Home, I think is probably the only instance where Rumple says he used the curse to find Bae. That can be taken both ways, I think. He creates the curse, in order to use it to find his son. Or he didn’t really create the curse but still used it to find Bae.
Gold: I used the curse to find you, Bae, to tell you I made a mistake. (Going Home, 3×11).
I don’t really remember this interview but it interesting as far back as season one, that Rumple didn’t create the curse as we all thought. Maybe the Sorcerer created the curse?
“You realize that maybe Rumpelstiltskin [didn’t create the curse] for her at all – maybe he was doing it for himself. Maybe the curse was created for him.” – Robert Carlyle
I also think another way around this, is that we never saw Rumple actually create the Dark Curse. Rumple can take the credit for creating it, maybe modifying it at best but probably did not create it from scratch.
I hope this all makes sense 😉
These tweets from Adam are relevant to this discussion:
@ccrowe256 @TVFanatic @ProudTVJunkie actually he said "constructed" and he was talking about preparations for implementing it
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 11, 2015
@ccrowe256 @TVFanatic @ProudTVJunkie in much the same way, Regina had to get a heart to make it work — she "constructed" it too
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 11, 2015
@ccrowe256 @TVFanatic @ProudTVJunkie it was scripted as "constructed" — but either way, the meaning remains the same
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 11, 2015
@ccrowe256 @TVFanatic @ProudTVJunkie meaning that — like with Regina — the curse parchment itself wasn't enough to enact it
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 11, 2015
@ccrowe256 @TVFanatic @ProudTVJunkie other elements were required… heart of thing you love most, etc. and he altered it for his purposes
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) March 11, 2015
LOL “it was scripted as constructed” but our totally professional actor just slipped in another word and no one bothered to fix it! But trust us GUYZ. We meant CONSTRUCTED.
LOLZ forevah
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s interesting “constructed” was the original term. I mean, ok, scripts go through revision stages, just like editing fanfics. Things get changed around to make it sound better.
It’s interesting “constructed” was the original term. I mean, ok, scripts go through revision stages, just like editing fanfics. Things get changed around to make it sound better.
That, and believe it or not, the actors not always delivering the lines word for word isn’t unfounded. I’ve seen it happen before. And normally it’s not treated as a big deal if the original intent of the line remains the same.
”Create” has many meanings.
1) from scratch.
2) from parts/ingredients given to you
3) from a recipe given to you
4) tweaking
Rumple: probably 3 and 4
Regina: probably 3 (Rumple’s tweaked recipe).
(Not sure on who tweaked the recipe so that people in SB forgot who were they were).
I don’t think it is a retcon at all, especially after reading what RC said back in 2o12. It seemed to be in the works all along. Adam and Eddy simply used the word ”create” rather than ”invent” because of its wide meaning to fool the audience and give themselves some wriggle room.
I am a big stickler for illogical retcons and plotholes, but this one I am okay with. No issue here.
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”Create” has many meanings. 1) from scratch. 2) from parts/ingredients given to you 3) from a recipe given to you 4) tweaking Rumple: probably 3 and 4 Regina: probably 3 (Rumple’s tweaked recipe).
I agree. It’s like what Daniel said on the podcast. The base of the curse is the original and Rumple tweaked the recipe to his liking and specifications. And then Regina tweaked it as well by taking away everyone’s memories and giving them new ones. (Going Home, 3×11)
Regina: No, I can… do what I did to everyone else in this town. And give you new ones.
Emma: You cursed them and they were miserable.
Regina: They didn’t have to be. My gift to you is good memories, good life for you and— —Henry. You’ll have never given him up. (Tearfully) You’ll have always been together.
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