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The Darkness

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Four › 4×22 “Operation Mongoose,” part 2 › The Darkness

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  • May 11, 2015 at 1:11 am #304472
    darkones1fan
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    Ok….I just gotta say this now before someone else does. Did anyone think the Darkness looks like Venom from The Spider Man series. Tell me I’m not the only one thinking that. In fact if you think about the Dark One is the ONCE equivalent of Venom.

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    May 11, 2015 at 4:59 pm #304579
    PriceofMagic
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    It did look very venomesque from Spiderman 3.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    May 12, 2015 at 6:35 am #304630
    TheWatcher
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    Lol DO. It technically is a symbiote if you think about it.
    Here are my queries about the darkness:
    – What Is it? An entity? A human person who got hold of the wrong kind of magic? Evil Incarnate, the opposite of Emma who is the incarnate of true love?
    – So… The darkness is stronger than the sorcerer? It seems the sorcerer couldn’t destroy it so he contained it. When they tried to suck the darkness into the hat, it stil managed to get free. So the darkness must be way more powerful than the most powerful.
    – The darkness wanted to consume all realms. So where did it come from? I mean, I’ve heard of alien super things doing so but they usually come from different places I think Gahlactus (sp?) would be a good example). So my questions is what’s the origin of the darkness.

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    May 12, 2015 at 11:23 am #304643
    MatthewPaul
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    Posting this theory I mentioned in another thread:

    What if the darkness actually originated from Merlin? Merlin could have extracted the darkness from within himself, and then attempted to destroy it. But he could not do so. Instead he resorted to tethering the darkness to another human soul. The reason for my theory is that we already saw something like this happen with Emma and Lily. The Apprentice extracted Emma’s darkness and put it inside Lily, in order for Emma to become pure. Both incidents resulted in another vessel absorbing the darkness, because the laws of magic couldn’t just send the darkness away, according to what the Apprentice said in “Best Laid Plans.” As for why Merlin would do this himself, perhaps he needed to become pure to achieve some sort of goal. For example, maybe Merlin wanted enough power for the sole purpose of maintaining peace and protecting the realms, but he could not do so without expelling his inner darkness.

    May 12, 2015 at 12:59 pm #304652
    Slurpeez
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    The idea of Merlin battling the darkness made me think of Gandalf battling the balrog in LOTR.

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    May 15, 2015 at 1:13 pm #304881
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    That whole backstory reminded me of the origin of Trigon from DC Comics.

    May 15, 2015 at 1:52 pm #304882
    Keb
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    Well, the DO now seems a lot like the Shadow/Pan relationship, though the DO seems less sentient.

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    May 15, 2015 at 5:31 pm #304891
    PriceofMagic
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    Well, the DO now seems a lot like the Shadow/Pan relationship, though the DO seems less sentient.

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    The darkness seems to have some sort of sentience though. Question is how much of Rumple’s actions were his own and how much were they influenced by the darkness? It’s implied that the darkness would have taken control of Rumple and puppetted him hence the “no one’s home” line, so the darkness’ influence on Rumple was seemingly growing stronger. Also as Blue Fairy said in season 1 in the Return, Baelfire was a glimmer of light to Rumple which kept him human, Belle serves this purpose too. With Baelfire’s death, it could be argued that the darkness’ hold on Rumple strengthened because there was now one less person to keep him human.

    I also had a crack theory on why certain people are chosen to be the dark one based on what the apprentice said about strength of the heart. Why the darkness went for Regina, the apprentice, and then Emma and not Snowing, Robin, or Hook. It’s not to do with magic, since Rumple had no magic when he became the dark one, it’s to do with the strength of the heart, the strength to carry on despite what obstacles life throws at you.

    Rumple, Emma and Regina have had difficult lives, probably the most difficult of the main characters. They’ve lost people but they’ve carried on surviving regardless, they’ve pulled through. Compare this to Hook and Snowing who have a death wish when it comes to losing loved ones. Hook went on a suicidal mission to avenge Milah whilst Snow was ready to die if the heart splitting failed to save Charming because she couldn’t bear to live without him. Hook and Snow were ready to give up on life whilst Rumple, Emma and Regina had the will to survive.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    May 15, 2015 at 8:19 pm #304900
    TheWatcher
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    Rumple, Emma and Regina have had difficult lives, probably the most difficult of the main characters. They’ve lost people but they’ve carried on surviving regardless, they’ve pulled through. Compare this to Hook and Snowing who have a death wish when it comes to losing loved ones. Hook went on a suicidal mission to avenge Milah whilst Snow was ready to die if the heart splitting failed to save Charming because she couldn’t bear to live without him. Hook and Snow were ready to give up on life whilst Rumple, Emma and Regina had the will to survive.

    That’s brilliant. Would make sense. Apparently eventually the darkness will consume the person’s entire heart leaving only the darkness and not the person/the person’s ability to love. Could be what it wants. A person with a strong heart will survive this long to let it continue rather than just commit suicide by way of having someone take the curse from them, at which point the heart consuming would start all over again.
    I hope that makes sense.
    It makes sense in my head.

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    May 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm #304903
    nevermore
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    What if the darkness actually originated from Merlin? Merlin could have extracted the darkness from within himself, and then attempted to destroy it. But he could not do so. Instead he resorted to tethering the darkness to another human soul.

    That’s quite interesting! I’m also reminded of the plot of Ursula LeGuin’s Wizard of Earthsea. Could it be that the darkness is in fact a part of Emma’s spirit, and she will need to embrace it/merge with it in order to conquer it?

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