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I called it so I’m feeling a bit proud of myself right now ^.^
I loved that the LGBT drop was just…there. It didn’t make any change to the scene, it didn’t make us feel any differently about who she is. It’s just a part of her that she happened to mention in casual conversation.
They’re doing good work with her!!
[adrotate group="5"]Who is Alice’s mother?
Accent, quirky outlook, and facial expressions cranked up to 11 all point to Zelena, I’d say.
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Guess 99.9% of us were wrong! Alice is probably Roger’s daughter if the final scene of them playing chess is any indication. Now the theories begin: how were they separated? Who is Alice’s mother? Will there be any conversation about Alice being gay? Did you like this reveal or are you bummed Alice isn’t a Rumbelle baby/granddaughter?
I guess I was in the 0.1% 🙂
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At first I thought the chess board was a red herring but when the shot paned close to the black rook, I thought, “Nope, she’s definitely Rogers’ kid.”
Meanwhile, I’m still over here in the corner on my lonesome giving that chess board some side eye, because it did almost feel TOO obvious IMO.
The thing about his daughter having been locked up, but he could still visit her, and then the rook (tower) piece…that stuff just doesn’t jive with Alice’s typical story, but it does fit with another well known fairytale. So maybe I’ll end up being wrong, but for now, as far as I’m concerned the jury is still out.
If we didn’t know that we ARE getting a new Rapunzel, then I’d be more inclined to accept the end of this ep as a confirmation. It’s just, with those bits of info that WishHook dropped, and how perfectly they match up with a character that we know we’re gonna be getting, that’s why I can’t quite buy that his daughter is Alice just yet, when I know that Rapunzel is waiting in the wings. I’m thinking that the chess board was a red herring for the general audience who aren’t into spoilers and have no idea that Rapunzel is coming. If all those people start believing that Alice is the daughter, then the reveal of his actual daughter would be a great curve ball to surprise the audience. Maybe I’m giving the writers too much credit for being tricky though.
I, definitely, think that Tremaine is Rapunzel, so it is still possible that Alice is in some weird way their daughter. I do think that is the most obvious and these writers are pretty obvious. They hinted at Alice being related to multiple people and i don’t think they meant Rumpel and Belle.
I really think they are done with Emma and Belle, so i think whatever happens from here on out is going to be about the new characters.
I really think they are done with Emma and Belle, so i think whatever happens from here on out is going to be about the new characters.
Yeah I agree Em is probably done, much like with JMo. So when we didn’t get a Rumbelle baby or grandbaby reveal I think that particular theory is done. I do like the idea that this is a red herring mostly because I don’t think making Alice Roger’s kid is a good narrative point at all. It just feels incredibly random.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree that Alice being fake Hook’s daughter is not interesting. She is the only non connected female character on the show though, so it probably is her. It also seems like Tremaine and Hook know each other, so it probably isn’t Tremaine. Unless, it is just Anastasia or Drizella which maybe, but then why is Hook looking for his child in the flashback when he clearly knows where Tremaine is at? Though, that could be a writing error like how Emma acted at the beginning of the dark swan arc being extremely inconsistent with the end of that arc.
Who knows. I do agree though that who fake Hook’s daughter is is probably not going to be that interesting of a plot point. Whether it is Alice or Anastasia or Drizella or whatever random person, i am not sure that it will matter. I could still see it being Anastasia just so that Hook could cry over her, but they might just do that with Tremaine and leave that plot with her.
I am glad that they are done with the old characters now though because after four episodes, i feel like there has been a lot of filler wrapping up the old show instead of showing us what the new show is about.
I just think it would be such a richer story for Alice to be Rumple and Belle’s daughter, trying to wake her father up and find a way to help him break his Dark One’s Curse. It would be such a full circle for Rumple.
It would have made more sense, to be sure. Yet, I haven’t given up the notion that Alice could still somehow be something of a daughter to Rumple if he adopted her. Isn’t she an orphan? He might not be her bio dad but he might have gone out on a limb and taken Alice under his wing. He could have been especially lonely after sadly losing Belle and decided they were something like kindred spirits, two lonely people in need of family. Weaver really seems to have a strong paternal attachment to Tilly, more than Rumple ever really had with Henry, his own grandson. Rogers points out how much Weaver seems to care about the young woman.
The thing about his daughter having been locked up, but he could still visit her, and then the rook (tower) piece…that stuff just doesn’t jive with Alice’s typical story, but it does fit with another well known fairytale. So maybe I’ll end up being wrong, but for now, as far as I’m concerned the jury is still out.
Rogers and Tilly playing chess could be a red herring since it’s so obvious; however, there is a big chess motif in Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll. Alice meets several life-size chess pieces during her adventures. I think it the chess board could point towards Wish Hook and Alice being father and daughter, but I think that Rumple has strong fatherly feelings towards her too. What if Alice is the one who brings these two together and helps end their old feud? If it is true that Wish Hook is the bio dad and that Rumple is like the adopted dad, then that would go a long way to making these men a lot like Emma and Regina, who used to be enemies but became became Henry’s co-moms and best friends. Tilly could be a like re-do for Baelfire, who could have brought Hook and Rumple together as father figures in his life.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Rogers and Tilly playing chess could be a red herring since it’s so obvious; however, there is a big chess motif in Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll.
Oh I know, I’m just suggesting that the writers were banking on that connection to make viewers (and probably even Rogers himself) come to that conclusion that Alice is Hook’s kid, but it’s actually a diversion for the real reveal. If so, then kudos to the writers for having been clever (#thingsIneverthoughtIdsayagain) in pulling off a bait and switch reveal.
If the specific chess piece had been a pawn, (the piece that Alice was considered to be throughout Through The Looking Glass) or a Queen, (which Alice became in the end of the story), then I’d be more inclined to think that the chess piece could be representing Alice. But this very specific piece that’s related to Hook’s kid is the piece that looks like a tower. A tower has nothing to do with Alice, and everything to do with Rapunzel.
The piece that Hook’s daughter kept was a knight, because he was her knight, and that fits with the Prince coming to visit Rapunzel in her tower like in the original story.
The fact that his daughter was imprisoned but he was still able to visit her every day in secret, there’s no Alice connection to that, but it fits for Rapunzel.
Basically, IMO there’s still more evidence that Hook’s daughter will end up being Rapunzel, and the chess connection to Alice is tenuous in comparison, so I remain unconvinced.
I think that is true. The thing is that would mean that Tremaine is his daughter because they are really hinting that Tremaine is Rapunzel.
I do agree that the writers may hint at things though that nothing comes of. This happens all the time because these writers are very bad writers. They may hint that Tremaine and Alice are Rapunzel and Hook’s daughter, and then turn around and make random person number one be either of those people. These writers think that trick writing is better then building a narrative, which they are very wrong about and that is one of the biggest reasons their show is just not that interesting anymore.
We are all here discussing the hints in the show and trying to figure out the mystery and it should be possible to do so. The hints should actually mean something, but since these writers are absolutely terrible, they might not mean a thing, and if that is so, again, then there will be no point in discussing the hints because they are meaningless.
We will see. The writers said they were going to write mystery again. We will see if they actually do or if they just continue to write very bad and pointless trick writing.
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