The Fairy Godmother's Wand

[Keb]

Since the events of 219 (Lacey), we’ve been dealing with how Robin Hood stole the wand that is pretty exact duplicate of Ella’s Fairy Godmother’s wand. 220 (The Evil Queen) and 306 (Ariel) push a whole bunch of events into the same time period as the few months of Belle’s stay at the Dark Castle, and 302 (Quite a Common Fairy) establishes that Roland, the son that Marian was pregnant with in 219, is four years old, placing the events of Lacey and thus 112 (Skin Deep) about 3 years before the curse.

So the question is, when Rumple kills the godmother, is he getting the wand from the fairy for the first time, or getting the wand back after Robin Hood stole it and who knows what happened?

I’m starting to lean toward his getting it from the fairy for the first time, but it’ll require adjusting some events on the timeline to make it work. Here’s the dominos that have to fall into place:

1. Rumple makes a deal with Regina to cut off trade with George. This happens in 220 right before he makes her a peasant.
2. George is bankrupt. We know he’s bankrupt by 213 (Tiny), and still so in 106 (The Shepherd).
3. James dies in 106. To get a replacement James, ie David/Charming, George makes a deal with Rumple–and gives him info on the location of their family’s fairy godmother. There’s no reason to think this is another godmother.
4. Rumple kills the fairy godmother on the night of Prince Thomas’s ball, and gets the wand in 104. It seems logical this would happen soon after getting the info from George, cuz why wait and have the data be no longer accurate?
5. Belle comes to the Dark Castle. Here’s where it gets thorny–Rumple seems distracted and I love the pet theory that he’s gazing at his new acquisition in the mirror while making deals with Regina in 220. But then when is there time for George to go bankrupt? Yet we know that by about 3-4 days later when Regina comes to the castle to demand she be returned to her proper form, Rumple is bragging about his promising new maid–which is clearly a reference to Belle.
6. Sometime about a week or so after Belle comes to the castle, Robin Hood breaks in to steal a wand. It’s been long enough that Rumple can complain she cries night after night, but not so long that Belle’s content at the castle, as she later appears in 112 and 311.

Meanwhile, with James dead and David betrothed and all the things happening to at the same time…well, a lot is going on. This also puts Ella’s pregnancy starting over two years after the ball, which isn’t unreasonable but it certainly doesn’t feel that long in 104.

Still, there’s no direct contradiction to Rumple taking the wand from the fairy before Robin Hood comes to get it that I can find. Thoughts? Things I’ve missed? Ideas for how long between events given all this?

Oh, and assuming Anastasia IS Ella’s stepsister, this all tangles up in HER timeline as well. (So Wonderland may or may not shed light on the timing here.)

[RumplesGirl]

3. James dies in 106. To get a replacement James, ie David/Charming, George makes a deal with Rumple–and gives him info on the location of their family’s fairy godmother. There’s no reason to think this is another godmother.

Agreed. And I think story wise it makes sense to keep it simple and that the FGM is also George’s patron.

I see what you’re saying. It takes a long time for a Kingdom to go bankrupt, unless George was already in financial difficulty and thus it was easier.

I think the easiest answer is that Belle hadn’t arrived at the DC yet. (yeah I know “promising young girl” line).

Gosh I think the writers made a huge mistake. Because Snow was already a bandit by this point (220) but Regina had just declared herself the Evil Queen.

10 yrs BC : Snow leaves the castle (princess)–meets Red–Child of the Moon Flashbacks–goes off on own–learns banditry–rescues Regina (220)–meets Charming–Ariel(bench mark moments, 3 yrs before curse)–rest of S1 as we know it

I think the answer is simple: the writers really don’t know.

 

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[Keb]

Possibly! the other possible issue is season. In the Shepherd it looks like spring already, but it’s def wintertime in 219, and we know the kingdoms can’t be that far apart cuz even sans magic people move pretty fast between them.

If one puts Robin’s theft a little later–say a fortnight instead of a week–then there might be time for some of this other stuff to happen. Still really tight though.

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[kfchimera]

I suspect they do not know, nor have such a meticulous timeline, and maybe they realize this is a problem.  I wonder if they will simply avoid stories in the general era before the curse now? this season they have the missing year and the time of young Cora.  Convenient for avoiding the issue.

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[PriceofMagic]

Snowing and Charming were at Cinderella’s wedding and Ella became pregnant not too long before the curse because she was still pregnant in Storybrooke. In Disney’s Cinderella, the ball was held because the prince was looking for a wife so it’s possible that the wedding happened not long after the ball.

Belle met Grumpy whilst he was Dreamy in the tavern after she left Rumple’s castle before she fought the yaoguai who turned out to be Philip.

I think Rumple may have been getting the wand back from the fairy. Rumple is really possessive about his things so blowing up a fairy that was using “his” wand would be justified in his opinion.

Maybe the fairy was freelance in that she wasn’t working under the Blue Fairy?

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[Marty McFly]

the only explination is that Ella did not become pregnant until a few good years AFTER she got married.. maybe she was scared to have a baby because she might have to give it away to rumple

and Snow might have been at her wedding before Regina decided to kill her maybe while her father king leo was still alive

[PriceofMagic]

I thought Charming was at the wedding too?

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[Keb]

Charming was at the wedding. The wedding clearly happens post-taking-back-the-kingdoms, and I firmly believe it’s also after Charming and Snow’s public wedding (though maybe just after the honeymoon).

However, a royal wedding could presumably take some time to happen. And it’s possible that Thomas had to hunt a bit for his bride (as per the Cinderella tale) first.

Trying to squeeze in the wand earlier is tricky, but Ariel already moved up everything in that area of the timeline to mid-112 because of the Certain Mermaid comment.

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[once_dude]

as much as i would love to believe that ariel was in skin deep which would be logical it also has to be before 7:15 because rumple is jaded about love by 7:15

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[3princesses]

Charming was at the wedding. The wedding clearly happens post-taking-back-the-kingdoms, and I firmly believe it’s also after Charming and Snow’s public wedding (though maybe just after the honeymoon). However, a royal wedding could presumably take some time to happen. And it’s possible that Thomas had to hunt a bit for his bride (as per the Cinderella tale) first. Trying to squeeze in the wand earlier is tricky, but Ariel already moved up everything in that area of the timeline to mid-112 because of the Certain Mermaid comment.

If it is Ariel & the mermaid comment throwing everything off, could it be a different mermaid? As much as I’d like it to be Ariel, isn ‘t there a wardrobe change for Regina that causes an issue with that.

I think Rumple must be taking it back, though. Like you said, Snow and Charming have already taken back the kingdom at Ella’s wedding & are happily married. I don’t think there could have been more than a year for them between their wedding and the curse.

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