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whereas it really should have been Regina who payed the price for healing Robin with her own life or life essence or something.
I know everyone’s talking about Emma ending up in the Underworld hanging with Hades, but maybe it’ll be Regina instead? I know that Emma dying would be part of her Saviour hero myth arc, but it’s almost getting to the point where you could make a drinking game out of when “Saviour” is used in relation to Regina, and we’re only two eps in, so maybe she’s gonna get her own death and ressurection arc in order to make her fully redeemed?
[adrotate group="5"]I know everyone’s talking about Emma ending up in the Underworld hanging with Hades, but maybe it’ll be Regina instead? I know that Emma dying would be part of her Saviour hero myth arc, but it’s almost getting to the point where you could make a drinking game out of when “Saviour” is used in relation to Regina, and we’re only two eps in, so maybe she’s gonna get her own death and ressurection arc in order to make her fully redeemed?
I could see that happening. It would be mirroring last Season’s finale, and Emma did say “I saved you, now you save me.” Perhaps Regina will sacrifice herself for Emma this time around.
I know everyone’s talking about Emma ending up in the Underworld hanging with Hades, but maybe it’ll be Regina instead? I know that Emma dying would be part of her Saviour hero myth arc, but it’s almost getting to the point where you could make a drinking game out of when “Saviour” is used in relation to Regina, and we’re only two eps in, so maybe she’s gonna get her own death and ressurection arc in order to make her fully redeemed?
I can see that. Of course, the moral of the story might be that handsome is as handsome does, in that “Savior” is less of a particular person with innate qualities, and more of a job, and whoever steps up to it. I think they’re setting up Regina’s redemption arc to be, indeed, one from Evil Queen to Savior, but if she eclipses Emma in that role, what would be Emma’s outcome? My guess is — from Outcast/Orphan to Savior to Dark One to Normal — isn’t normal/average what Emma always wanted?
I know everyone’s talking about Emma ending up in the Underworld hanging with Hades, but maybe it’ll be Regina instead? I know that Emma dying would be part of her Saviour hero myth arc, but it’s almost getting to the point where you could make a drinking game out of when “Saviour” is used in relation to Regina, and we’re only two eps in, so maybe she’s gonna get her own death and ressurection arc in order to make her fully redeemed?
If we ever see the underworld (which I’m not convinced of yet) I could totally see that. I think Emma is daring Regina to become the new hero to get the sword. Emma is purposefully goading Regina to do what needs to be done. Emma said to Regina,
“You want everyone to believe you’re the Savior? Then step up and do what needs to be done!”
I’m pretty sure Emma needs Regina to become the savior to get the sword. Whether Emma would use that sword to put an end to all darkness is another question. Certainly devil Rumple would have Emma become the unbound dark one with limitless power. Yet, even if Emma were to use the sword with good intent, “bad things” would still happen according to Merlin. I think Regina has to step up as savior. It would complete her redemption arc for Regina to fully embrace her new status as savior. It’s been hinted at repeatedly over the seasons, most recently with her hero’s blood Henry used in 4×22. Once Regina does so, she could be the one to destroy the sword, perhaps by going to Hades or something…
I can see that. Of course, the moral of the story might be that handsome is as handsome does, in that “Savior” is less of a particular person with innate qualities, and more of a job, and whoever steps up to it. I think they’re setting up Regina’s redemption arc to be, indeed, one from Evil Queen to Savior, but if she eclipses Emma in that role, what would be Emma’s outcome? My guess is — from Outcast/Orphan to Savior to Dark One to Normal — isn’t normal/average what Emma always wanted?
What I am sure of is that Regina is the new Emma. This has been heavily foreshadowed since at least S2, when Regina’s journey to redemption began. Regina saved Snow and Emma, her long-term rivals. Regina also said, “Let me die as Regina” in an effort to stop the fail-safe in the S2 finale. She also let Henry go with Emma in S3a, thereby saying goodbye to her son and blessing them with happy memories. Regina also broke Snow’s dark curse in S3b with TLK by kissing Henry and used light “savior” magic to defeat Zelena. Finally, Regina’s hero blood in the AU let Henry set things to rights by rewriting history back to normal.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I could also see it being Regina as well. Knowing this show, they’d make it that Regina sacrifices herself for Emma to repay her for 422.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"What I am sure of is that Regina is the new Emma.
I don’t think that is what’s going on. I think Regina is experiencing what life is like for Emma, but ultimately will learn how to be a hero on her own terms.
I still think Regina has a lot of darkness inside and while she is prepared to save the town this time because she feels responsible, I don’t see her ever embracing the ideals of the ‘heroes’ where they help anyone in need because it is the right thing to do.
Ultimately I don’t think Regina will be the one to pull the Sword out of the Stone.
I still don’t get why Regina had to pay a price of a life for a life. I know “magic always comes with a price” but Rumple used his dark magic to heal Dr. Whale, Baelfire and Belle, but they didn’t have to pay for it. So the idea of the fury coming to collect its payment after Emma healed Robin on behalf of Regina doesn’t really add up. It seems like the writers merely wanted to add a fury and Charon for PLOT-heavy reasons for this particular stand-alone episode rather than for any valid, in-universe reasons. I really doubt we’ll ever see them again.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Healing magic is not too expensive, I think. It costs more for a fatal wound, like when Snow used/didn’t use the candle–Eva & Rumple couldn’t just be cured by simple magic; someone had to die if they were to live.
When Rumple cured Whale and Belle, none of those injuries were yet fatal–bad, but not fatal. Same with all the times Regina and Emma have used healing magic before–bad injuries perhaps, but with treatment, they could be cured. The arm on Whale probably cost more–but he could have survived losing an arm with proper treatment. Therefore not a life-cost.
…yes, I’m still trying to make the show make sense.
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What I am sure of is that Regina is the new Emma. This has been heavily foreshadowed since at least S2, when Regina’s journey to redemption began. Regina saved Snow and Emma, her long-term rivals. Regina also said, “Let me die as Regina” in an effort to stop the fail-safe in the S2 finale. She also let Henry go with Emma in S3a, thereby saying goodbye to her son and blessing them with happy memories. Regina also broke Snow’s dark curse in S3b with TLK by kissing Henry and used light “savior” magic to defeat Zelena. Finally, Regina’s hero blood in the AU let Henry set things to rights by rewriting history back to normal.
And let’s not forget that while in Neverland, she defeated Peter Pan, Saved Rumplestilskin, got her son’s heart back, and got them off that blasted Island. And to think all of this is still not enough for some people in the OUAT Fandom, but that’s another conversation for another time.
Now that I think about it, you guys maybe definitely onto something….Emma is goading Regina into becoming the Savior because she must need a Savior to pull the sword from the stone.
And if Emma isn’t the one to be taken by Charon into Hades, then I agree…my next bet’s on Regina. It would bring a whole new meaning to the Season 2 Finale’s “Let Me Die As Regina”, but can you imagine all the sass offs between Regina and Hades in 5B?
Aw crap, knowing Adam and Eddy….Emma and Regina will probably both go down in the Winter Finale, kinda like how Rumplestilskin killed Peter Pan by sacrificing himself….Regina killing/freeing Emma by sacrificing herself and both of them being taken down by Charon into the Underworld, setting up 5B to be Operation Save SwanQueen…..which in turn would be the ultimate baiting Adam and Eddy have ever done, but I’m willing to bet in an attempt to increase their ratings, they’re willing to do.
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I still don’t get why Regina had to pay a price of a life for a life. I know “magic always comes with a price” but Rumple used his dark magic to heal Dr. Whale, Baelfire and Belle, but they didn’t have to pay for it. So the idea of the fury coming to collect its payment after Emma healed Robin on behalf of Regina doesn’t really add up.
This!!! I don’t get it either. I suppose, because PLOT, as @RG would say.
Healing magic is not too expensive, I think. It costs more for a fatal wound, like when Snow used/didn’t use the candle–Eva & Rumple couldn’t just be cured by simple magic; someone had to die if they were to live.
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I guess what all three have in common is that there was some sort of magical(?) poison involved. (Was the poison meant to kill Rumple magical? I don’t remember). For Rumple, the lethality didn’t come from the wound, as much as from the magic of the poison. Eva was just slowly poisoned by Cora. But in the case of Robin, the poison was meant for Regina, specifically. In all other respects, Robin looked like he got stabbed in the spleen — as far as OUAT is usually concerned, a totally fixable condition by anyone able to wield the least bit of magic. The price of a “life” in this case seems entirely aberrant in this case. Meh. *shrugs*
Emma and Regina will probably both go down in the Winter Finale, kinda like how Rumplestilskin killed Peter Pan by sacrificing himself….Regina killing/freeing Emma by sacrificing herself and both of them being taken down by Charon into the Underworld, setting up 5B to be Operation Save SwanQueen…..which in turn would be the ultimate baiting Adam and Eddy have ever done, but I’m willing to bet in an attempt to increase their ratings, they’re willing to do.
That seems very likely to me. And if this is the direction they take, I won’t be surprised if Regina develops a capacity for light magic by the end of it all.
Also, judging by A&E’s thing with that whole redemption through motherhood trope, I’d bet a cookie that by the end of the show, Regina is expecting (in a similar vein that everyone in the show seems to be heading towards the “second chances” baby, especially if they incorporate Emilie’s pregnancy into the plot).
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