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Henry: But you told Greg and Tamara that magic was bad, and you’d help them destroy it. Why?
PP: Because I needed their help. And it is so much easier to get people to hate something, than to believe.Wendy: He’s coming back tonight to take one of my brothers in my place. You said magic was bad, and you were right, Bae. It’s going to destroy my family.
By taking Wendy, then sending her back, fearing he was gonna take one of her brothers instead, and then ultimately taking Bae, PP turned Wendy (and also possibly her brothers) into a magic hater.
So, was that PP recruiting them for an organisation he already had going on? Or was he setting the Darlings up with the inspiration to start the organisation for him? Or was Wendy’s schtick of caring for Bae, then being scared of magic, all an act, just to help PP get Bae, because she was already working for him?
I’ve always wondered how many more boys were taken after Bae was. Was he the last, because PP realised that he would one day father the kid he did need? Of course, if the Lost Boys are needed for some other purpose as well, I guess he was still snatching them, after he got Bae.
[adrotate group="5"]By taking Wendy, then sending her back, fearing he was gonna take one of her brothers instead, and then ultimately taking Bae, PP turned Wendy (and also possibly her brothers) into a magic hater.
Agreed. This experience shook her belief in the goodness of magic. She’s like a mini-London version of Tamara after SSTR.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I”m not convinced, nor have ever been convinced, that the Darlings were involved in the Home off ice in any way. My initial theory was that if Peter sent the lost ones to our world to not only act as a intermediary, but to help recruit people to help him find Henry under the guise of destroying magic. I’m not convinced that Greg and Tamara were the only ones working for the home office. It’s called the Home Office, but there are a lot of spiritual undertones just by the way Tamara was talking about it to Regina. Also by telling Hook they were willing to die for their cause. It doesn’t sound like they were in Storybrook on a business trip.
Hi guys! So glad the show is back!!!!:)
I don’t know if this similar idea has been posted before… I have gotten a mix feeling of this! But after Sunday’s episode, somehow I’ve gotten the feeling that Tamara was like Wendy when she was a child. I believe that Tamara was just a simple girl from our world, without any relation to EF. Maybe Tamara was curious about magic and Neverland (the story she has heard like Wendy did, all excited about what magic could do etc…) so she went away with The Shadow… Somehow (Peter Pan’s plan was to spread the fear and hate of magic) The Shadow brought back a fearful Tamara, who started to hate the magic and what it does, just like Wendy… Maybe her grandmother tried to stop her from going with The Shadow and it killed her/ she became older and died, when Tamara came back from Neverland… Anyway something bad must has happened to her grandmother.
I’m pretty sure.. there is others like Wendy and Tamara… The boys that went with the The Shadow didn’t came back, and the girls got send back to “spread” the fear and hate of magic just like the way Peter Pan wanted, “Because I needed their help. And it is so much easier to get people to hate something, than to believe.”
In the other hand, Greg’s hate of magic was a result of what happened to his dad, and what it did to them… Greg and Tamara met and because of their common belief of magic existence and the hate of it, together they joined to fight against magic while on search for his dad.. They went on “magic-hunting” and killed people with magic or used magic etc.. with the laser and other supplies like the thing that Greg used on Regina… And joined the Home Office once they heard of it… and did what they were told to do. I believe that GOAT have been studied about magic for a long time and how to kill them before they joined the Home Office.
BUT THEN there is one thing that has been bothered me about this idea is.. If Tamara has gone to Neverland as a child, wouldn’t she recognize the place when she was there with Greg and Henry?
Sorry for a long post guys, but let me know what you guys think!:) Once again, a big YAY for the show is back! FINALLY!!
THO sounds more like the setup for a Marvel or DC comic, it somehow never feels (felt) right for me in the OUaT world. More like using the images of a fantasy world a lot of kids grew up with the past maybe 100 years to manipulate particularly Greg and Tamara (and maybe a few others in our time). And most importantly, it sounds science and real wordly – if you had had bad experience with magic and hate magic it sounds a lot more convincing and like you’re becoming a part of a bigger, secret but still kinda official thing. By now I don’t think that there actually has been an organisation at all, it has been fake all along. Pretty sure Greg and Tamara (and eventually a few others) had been told, that they have to keep up their normal lives as cover, work, blend in, pay for everything themselves, to protect THO and themselves. Practically with Greg and Tamara died the Home Office. It fulfilled it’s purpose: Henry, the person with the truest heart, the one person Pan was after is in Neverland. THO has no use anymore.
Still leaves some questions unanswered, like how they made contact from Neverland with Greg and Tamara, who did the two talked to, where did they get equipment. Although it is said that our world is, or at least had been a world without magic, the OUaT universe does know and has magic in general. And we already had to assume (the dragon for example), that (at least tiny bits of) magic worked in our world outside Storybrook, totally unconnected to Storybrook. So I think most of it was made possible by magic, just that it was made look like non-magic to Greg and Tamara.
Outside the fictional logic of OUaT: It looks to me like they wrote themselves into a corner with the THO and GOAT storyline. It will haunt them for the rest of the show, but I doubt we will get many satisfying answers (remember how unsatisfying The Initiative in Buffy was, and that agency made a lot more sense than THO). Somewhat doubt it was planned like that from the beginning, they adapted when they were sure they can do Neverland. GOAT and THO ended up as posing a bit of a threat for Storybrook for second half of season 2, but their main purpose became to have a way to isolate Henry and take him to Neverland alone. Purpose served, the characters were liked by pretty much no one, so they were killed, and with them, I think, THO died as well as storyline.
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I suspect we’ll learn more about THO in our world. I really can’t believe they’d leave all that hanging. And they really need to give Tamara some sort of motivation for hating magic so much. Even if it’s not my theory about her being RH and Marian’s daughter, they gotta find a way to explain her hatred.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I really think that THO stuff will have to be touched on again before they’re done with it, because I think that people associated with THO, (Darlings and Tink), were involved in Henry’s adoption, and in August finding out about Neal being Bae.
I suspect we’ll learn more about THO in our world. I really can’t believe they’d leave all that hanging. And they really need to give Tamara some sort of motivation for hating magic so much. Even if it’s not my theory about her being RH and Marian’s daughter, they gotta find a way to explain her hatred.
Greg and Tamara both dying in the premiere feel awfully like they got the Nikki and Paulo treatment: as characters that didn’t work, they were quickly killed so the writers could sweep their mistake under the rug and move on. I’m not sure they’ll be expanded upon ever again.
I agree they were Niki Paulo’d. R.I.P Tamara. Riiiiiiip Greg.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Greg and Tamara both dying in the premiere feel awfully like they got the Nikki and Paulo treatment: as characters that didn’t work, they were quickly killed so the writers could sweep their mistake under the rug and move on. I’m not sure they’ll be expanded upon ever again.
Agreed. They were very Nikki and Paulo. But I think THO might still be a big thing. Or at least, we’ll get more of their workings in our world.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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