The Hookriel/FishHook Relationship Thread

[PriceofMagic]

I wouldn’t mind either pairing. However, my point is making Hook Eric kind of sets up that if CaptainSwan doesn’t last Hook has to end up with Ariel.

Ariel going to be pining after Hook during the CaptainSwanFire triangle. At some point somethings got to give. Either Hook has to end up with Ariel because he’s Eric thus making the triangle pointless, or Ariel is left out in the cold because “Eric” is off with another woman.

If Hook ended up with Ariel, he would just be settling because he really wanted Emma. Why should Ariel be the back up girlfriend?

[RumplesGirl]

I don’t know why Ariel has to be pining for Eric during CaptainSwanFire. They don’t have to start off as romantic partners. I don’t think they’ll take the love at first sight thing that happens in the movie. I think it will be slow.

Also, Hook isn’t settling because he and Emma will realize that they aren’t meant to be and that their “relationship” however brief was just as a way to fill a hole in the moment. Hook won’t be pining for Emma because he knows he never truly loved her in a romantic love sort of way. He loves her as his best friend, but nothing more. Thus, Ariel isn’t backup.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

I’d have to see some of Ariel’s scenes before I could make a full decision on whether or not to support Hookriel.

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Keeper of Felix

[Phee]

I’m just going to lay out my headcanon concerning Eric:

Hook is Eric.

Eric was born a Prince in a kingdom far away. As a young boy both his father and mother died and his vengeful uncle, who most likely killed his parents, was out to kill Eric so that he could not take the throne. Eric was stolen away in the night by his mothers most loyal servant and raised not knowing his true heritage. But then the loyal servant died and Eric was forced to make his way in the world. He took up with Davy Jones and came to see him as a father figure, even though Davy was a terrible man who did not love Eric. Eric changed his name in order to win his new fathers approval to Killian Jones. Then Davy abandoned Killian but Killian managed to be picked up by pirates, the Captain of the ship grew to care for Killian and made him his heir. When the Captain died, Killian took over as Captain of the Jolly Roger and decided he wanted to travel around FTL. And then one night, he walked into a bar….

My tweak on this is that whoever ran away with little Eric changed both of their names and they went into hiding, posing as father and son, Davy and Killian Jones. Killian believes that Davy abandoned him, as he told Bae, but whatever actually happened is the origin story for the Davy Jones character we know from legend.

I wouldn’t mind either pairing. However, my point is making Hook Eric kind of sets up that if CaptainSwan doesn’t last Hook has to end up with Ariel.

Ariel going to be pining after Hook during the CaptainSwanFire triangle. At some point somethings got to give. Either Hook has to end up with Ariel because he’s Eric thus making the triangle pointless, or Ariel is left out in the cold because “Eric” is off with another woman.

They wouldn’t have to reveal Hook’s full backstory and true identity until later in the season. Same deal with Ariel’s full story. They could let the triangle play out before revealing anything about Ariel and Hook being destined for a relationship.

Also, Hook isn’t settling because he and Emma will realize that they aren’t meant to be and that their “relationship” however brief was just as a way to fill a hole in the moment. Hook won’t be pining for Emma because he knows he never truly loved her in a romantic love sort of way. He loves her as his best friend, but nothing more. Thus, Ariel isn’t backup.

Yep, that!

[kfchimera]

Only problem with making Hook Eric. They want to make CaptainSwan seem like a potential end game relationship so Neal throws a spanner in the work. CaptainSwanFire triangle. Ariel wants Hook. Hook not interested, wants Emma. Ariel upset. If Emma ends up with Neal, it leaves Hook a free agent. Because Hook is Eric, he must end up with Ariel. Hook would be settling for Ariel because he can’t have Emma. Isn’t that unfair on Ariel?

I think there is something off in this reasoning.  No one says it is unfair to Hook or Neal that Emma had a thing with Graham.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[PriceofMagic]

Graham was out of the picture before Hook or Neal(present day) even arrived on the scene.

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Keeper of Felix

[Josephine]

Okay, I’ve got a million thoughts running through my head. 

So, building off of RG’s headcanon of Hook being Eric who ran away and joined with Davy Jones’s crew and adopting his name just brought flashing back The Princess Bride with Wesley and the Dread Pirate Roberts.  We already know that Colin based his portrayal more on Wesley and not Jack Sparrow. Now that I know that I can see traces of Wesley in him.  But what if they took the story, too.  Wesley was captured by pirates and told daily that he was going to be killed the next day.  It never happened and eventually the Dread Pirate Roberts took on Wesley as his apprentice and then heir.  Wesley changed his name and took over the ship and the pirate legacy.

So moving on to how Ariel fits into it.  In the original story, the prince falls in love with someone else and marries her.  The mermaid’s love is unrequited.  What if Ariel was originally in FTL, fell in love with Hook but he was in love with Milah.  So Ariel makes a deal with someone (Rumple, Regina, Ursula, …) and becomes human to try to win his love.  He could be totally ignorant of any feelings this mermaid/human and it doesn’t work because he’s with Milah.  She loses her deal like in the original and instead of turning to see foam is banished to Neverland.

Now’s where it gets tricky.  I could see them meeting again after all that time in Neverland, but in my mind Ariel is resentful and bitter toward this man she thought she loved.  She’s nursing a broken heart over a guy who never even gave her the time of day. 

If we meet her early and all this happened, Hook could still not  know all that happened with Ariel and her deal, neither would the audience yet,  and Ariel would still be an embittered mermaid, and CaptainSwanFire can go on like planned.  After Neal comes back, (I’m admitting right now to my rabid SwanFire love) then Hookriel can move forward in some manner.  

Saying all that I’m still not a fan of Hook being Eric at all. I want Eric only showing up in flashbacks as the man who broke Ariel’s heart by marrying someone else and thus her losing her deal and being banished to Neverland.  🙂

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[RumplesGirl]

A couple thoughts: on the one hand I don’t want Ariel to know Hook before we meet her because unrequited love + having to sit through a love triangle, feels cruel to Ariel, which is what I think PoM was getting at.
On the other hand, I really like the idea of Eric being someone from her past who hurt Ariel so that she is as damaged as Hook. They can help each other heal (Ariel from Eric, Hook from Milah) and thus Hook does not = Eric.
As to Wesley, a la Princess Bride, I can see them taking some sort of spin on that.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

So, building off of RG’s headcanon of Hook being Eric who ran away and joined with Davy Jones’s crew and adopting his name just brought flashing back The Princess Bride with Wesley and the Dread Pirate Roberts. We already know that Colin based his portrayal more on Wesley and not Jack Sparrow. Now that I know that I can see traces of Wesley in him. But what if they took the story, too. Wesley was captured by pirates and told daily that he was going to be killed the next day. It never happened and eventually the Dread Pirate Roberts took on Wesley as his apprentice and then heir. Wesley changed his name and took over the ship and the pirate legacy.

They probably couldn’t mirror the story too exactly without infringing on rights, but I could most definitely see them using elements of the story as an homage to such a classic. If Colin used Westley for inspiration, odds are, K&H mentioned him. I think there’s a Colin interview somewhere, (or maybe it was said by Eduardo about designing the costume?), where he says he was told by K&H that Hook should look like he’s going to a Depeche Mode concert. And we’ve also seen K&H mention that they’ll do stuff like send certain songs to the actors to explain the kind of mood they want for a scene, and stuff like that. Knowing that that sort of discussion goes on, it’s entirely possible that they said to Colin, “So, ya know The Princess Bride…” to get him on the right track, and if so, that means they’d looked to the story for inspiration themselves.

So, anyway, maybe they can’t use the name Dread Pirate Roberts, but they can have a similar role and call him Davy Jones instead, and make Killian the apprentice who ends up taking over, and also takes the name Jones, as is tradition. Actually, that would be a fun little nod to the PotC Davy Jones too, similar theme with the ship needing a replacement Captain to carry on the legacy.

So moving on to how Ariel fits into it. In the original story, the prince falls in love with someone else and marries her. The mermaid’s love is unrequited. What if Ariel was originally in FTL, fell in love with Hook but he was in love with Milah. So Ariel makes a deal with someone (Rumple, Regina, Ursula, …) and becomes human to try to win his love. He could be totally ignorant of any feelings this mermaid/human and it doesn’t work because he’s with Milah. She loses her deal, like in the original and instead of turning to see foam is banished to Neverland.

Regina’s a no go if it’s happening during the time when Milah was alive. Rumple was around then though, and it could be awesomely tragic if he helped Ariel to get Killian, who was with Milah, (Rumple of course would be ignorant of that fact). I just have this feeling I can’t shake that Regina’s gonna end up filling the Ursula role, and the mermaid she mentioned to Rumple was Ariel, which would totally screw up the t-word for this theory.

Also, you’ve now got me pondering ways that Ariel could be Buttercup.

Now’s where it gets tricky. I could see them meeting again after all that time in Neverland, but in my mind Ariel is resentful and bitter toward this man she thought she loved. She’s nursing a broken heart over a guy who never even gave her the time of day.

This is why I hope there’s been a decent period of unrequited love in Ariel’s story. A bitter, snarky, feisty redhead could be so fun!

If we meet her early and all this happened, Hook could still not know all that happened with Ariel and her deal, neither would the audience yet, and Ariel would still be an embittered mermaid, and CaptainSwanFire can go on like planned. After Neal comes back, (I’m admitting right now to my rabid SwanFire love) then Hookriel can move forward in some manner.

Yes, as long as they don’t just dive into (pun) telling her story straight away, they can have her be bitter in general, and the audience can be left wondering what on earth went so wrong with her prince that she ended up like this. Keeping a lid on why she is the way she is would be made easier if she’s mute in present day, and can’t relate her story to anyone. Then once the triangle has run its course, we could get an Ariel centric ep with flashbacks involving Killian.

I now have too many new Hookriel ideas in my head, and my sleepy brain is protesting. 😛

[PriceofMagic]

It would be interesting if there was a mute character on the show, because not only would the actress have to communicate Ariel’s thoughts and feelings without speaking, but then you also start ticking disability boxes in this case- a speech impairment.

That’s not to say the show should add disabled characters just for the sake of adding them, likewise with LGBT characters, but with Ariel, her disability is actually part of her story and can also act as a communication barrier between Ariel and the JR6. Also if Ariel is allied with the JR6 and she finds out information that the JR6 need to know, such as where Henry is, Ariel can try to tell the JR6 what she knows without the JR6 understanding which can prolong the storyline.

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Keeper of Felix

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