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They addressed that a bit when they had Red say, “Regina thought she was punishing us by erasing who we were, but I think she underestimated how much crap we wanted to forget.” Maybe that’s something they were originally intending to explore some more in their original S2 plans?
Still not convinced they’d have Eric happily married to another woman if he’s alive in present day. I know they mess with the fairytales all the time, but many people consider Ariel and Eric to be a Disney OTP, so busting them up and having him happy with Vanessa instead could be a tad controversial. Obviously I wouldn’t personally have an issue with it, but I’d say the vast majority of viewers would. Maybe they could get away with it if they had Eric say he’d looked for Ariel in SB right after the Curse broke, but she wasn’t there, so he went back to his CurseWife and they’re now blissfully happy and expecting a baby, or something like that? Though then you still open up the debate of, “If he’d looked for her, he still loves her, and shouldn’t stay with the wife just for the baby.” Also, they kinda already did that storyline with David and Kathryn’s almost pregnancy causing problems for David and MM.
[adrotate group="5"]All good point, Phee. I just hope they give us something new and twisty; despite what a lot of people think OUAT isn’t about making the Disney films into live action. The original story of TLM really lets A and E go any route they want and have it “fit” within the story.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The fact that they have two very different versions of the one iconic story gives them so much to play with, even before injecting their own original ideas. Even if Hookriel doesn’t happen, I’m still hoping for a complex, rich, layered, angsty storyline for Onciverse Ariel.
Just posted something in the SF thread that led me to a Hookriel thought.
In relation to the new US Weekly blurb that mentions Hook “setting his sights” on Emma, I posted this about how that could affect SF…
Even if they do mean that Hook’s “set his sights on her” in a romantic context, that doesn’t automatically mean that Emma’s gonna see him in the same way. They didn’t say, “they have set their sights on each other.” With Ariel’s story being told in the first part of the season, there’s gonna be unrequited love in the air in flashbacks, (even if Onceiverse Ariel and Eric do get together, their story still traditionally starts out as unrequited love), and they could maybe plan to expand on that theme in present day if Hook has eyes for Emma but not vice versa.
And then I decided that in present day NL, Ariel and Hook can bond over their unrequited love stories, she can maybe even encourage him to not give up, because she ended up convincing her guy, and so he can convince his girl. But Emma won’t be interested, and then Neal’s gonna show up and it’ll be obvious that SF have feelings for each other, so Hook will back off. And because he and Ariel will have bonded over emo love stuff already, she’ll be there to console him and say, “better luck next time,” and BOOM, foreshadowing. 😉
I like it Phee! It would tie everything together in a nice little Hookriel bow!
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The idea of them rebounding together doesn’t seem quite right. I feel Hook has to change who he is first, in terms of that ruthlessness and thirst for vengeance, not reform out of romantic love for someone. Plus, there are huge gaps in what we know about him and Ariel (obviously!).
So all of Hookriel (or really any Hook ship) is based on a lot of guess-work about what he might be like beyond “you killed my Milah, prepare to die!”. What was he like before he met her, when he was with her? We have only glimpses and the few scenes I saw say classic romantic swashbuckling pirate rather than thuggish, brute type pirate. Yet that romantic pirate was still the guy who in service of his revenge has done a lot of things that one of the most classic examples of romantic swashbuckling pirate, Wesley as Dread Pirate Roberts, would never do. (Wes only pretended to be bad…Hook on the other hand..I see him more like Ignio who was a straight up Henchman/revenge seeker and he takes over the Dread Pirate thing after Wesley.). The biggest difference though–is Wesley fell in love with Buttercup when they were both just peasants more or less, and she realized after he left that she loved him too. Hook fell in love with a woman who was willing to leave her family for him, and she fell in love with him even knowing he was a pirate.
I sympathize a little with Milah in that I think she was miserable and did have few options in that type of society. Rumple wasn’t going to change for her, and she couldn’t change how miserable she felt trapped in the village. We see the pictures she drew to show that she is yearning for more beyond the confines of the village.
Now who does that sound like? A certain red head who also dreamed of life beyond ? Also willing to leave her family, thirsting for adventure? Of course, leaving a father, friends and sisters is vastly more acceptable than leaving a young son who is dependent on you. We expect children to grow up and to become independent (especially in western culture, though much less the norm in other parts of the world and historically, were families stayed together to take care of each other into old age). So no one faults Ariel but think for a minute about the fact her best friend is a fish, and that her husband’s people eat fish. Ah, the dark and gruesome side of Disney. It is like one of those Vampire tales in a way, if you look at it from the fish’s perspective!
We need to understand what background they are giving Hook and Ariel, the closer this crackship gets to speculative, the tougher it is to just invent the perfect scenario in my head. I always assumed a lot, that Ariel would be main cast eventually, that she would be in her 30’s, that there would be this mashup with Eric. The last is not happening, and now we have this curious “become a mermaid” thing. Where is Eric? Did she love him and lose him or did she leave him for adventure? Her story may not even be as big as Eric’s.
To what extent does Hook reform to be with someone? Does he change completely who he is at this point? Did he choose to be a pirate, or is that something he fell into being but he always longed to stay in one place but just needed enough gold to do it? I had the feeling he just genuinely enjoys what he did as a pirate. He does feel deeply, can love, but he sees a line but is willing to cross it if it gets him what he wants, and if that hurts someone else, well, that person should have just fought harder to stop him. That would mesh well if Ariel also sort of comes from a fish eat fish sort of world. There’d be a toughness to her.
Then there is the main cast thing.
JoAnna is not that unknown but she does have a young family so is she willing to relocate part of the year to film OUAT? Colin obviously made the choice for his career to do just that, but JoAnna is a bit more “Privileged” (she starred in that show). She has done the commute to Canada (though other side of the country, Montreal) as a child star, so she has experienced that. Her husband likely travels a lot for his sports career. I think it is hard to say either way.So I’ll still be thrilled if they do Hookriel if all these things work out but if Hookriel happens where some of my assumptions are not met (like JoAnna isnt main cast, Ariel is more sweet and innocent and truly in love with Eric) then it has to stay as a what-could-have been kind of thing for me.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
WOW KFC! Really well thought out.
So Hook’s “true colors” as it were. Well, I think once he gives up his revenge quest (fully) he is still a pirate. I think in a lot of ways he chose the life of the open sea. We’ll get more details later this season but the fact remains that he stayed a pirate, and obviously enjoyed given his camaraderie with his crew and his general demeanor with the crew. I can’t really ever see Hook giving up his life of adventure to settle down in a little house. This is one of the biggest reasons I love Hookriel so much. Ariel gets it and would support it.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The idea of them rebounding together doesn’t seem quite right. I feel Hook has to change who he is first, in terms of that ruthlessness and thirst for vengeance, not reform out of romantic love for someone.
Having a relationship with Emma that doesn’t end up as an actual romance would be a learning curve for him, though, so I wouldn’t really classify a future involvement with anyone as being a rebound from Emma. Also, it’d be part of him reforming his relationship with Bae, so there’s redemption and personal growth there without him just changing for a woman.
So all of Hookriel (or really any Hook ship) is based on a lot of guess-work about what he might be like beyond “you killed my Milah, prepare to die!”. What was he like before he met her, when he was with her? We have only glimpses and the few scenes I saw say classic romantic swashbuckling pirate rather than thuggish, brute type pirate.
I’d say he had some thug in him. He challenged a cripple to a duel, and was happy to let Rumple think that he and his crew were gonna rape his wife. And later, when Dark One Rumple accidentally on purpose bumped into him on the street, Hook mocked the “gutter rat”. That being said, he actually showed up for an appointed duel when he knew he was gonna be fighting the Dark One, so he’s not without bravery and honour. And he’s been in love with a dead woman for about 300 years, so he’s certainly got the capacity to love deeply, and for all the whoring around he probably did before Milah, I doubt he’s been with anyone since, (which may well explain his constant, sometimes crass flirting, because he’s WAY outta practice with the ladies and he knows it, so he’s overcompensating to keep up appearances).
I’m really interested to see what he was like before he became a pirate! I think there’s a lot of good buried down in there, and his redemption will be dropping the ego a bit, (not completely, because he should always be confident and a bit cocky), and allowing those better traits to come to the surface again.
I sympathize a little with Milah in that I think she was miserable and did have few options in that type of society. Rumple wasn’t going to change for her, and she couldn’t change how miserable she felt trapped in the village. We see the pictures she drew to show that she is yearning for more beyond the confines of the village.
Now who does that sound like? A certain red head who also dreamed of life beyond ? Also willing to leave her family, thirsting for adventure? Of course, leaving a father, friends and sisters is vastly more acceptable than leaving a young son who is dependent on you.
As a general rule, I’m on Team Good Riddance when it comes to Milah, but after reading that fic I posted a bit of a few pages back, where Hook was remembering how he loved her for her wanderlust, I did soften towards her a bit, because she’s got some major similarities to Ariel. Still think she needs a slap for having up and left her young son, but I’m not as completely unsympathetic as I used to be since seeing the Ariel-ish traits in her.
So no one faults Ariel but think for a minute about the fact her best friend is a fish, and that her husband’s people eat fish. Ah, the dark and gruesome side of Disney. It is like one of those Vampire tales in a way, if you look at it from the fish’s perspective!
😆 I guess when they made her BFFs a fish and a crab, they had to write merfolk as vegetarian. I’d say the scene in Splash where Madison totally tears apart a lobster with her bare hands is a more realistic representation of merfolk’s eating habits.
We need to understand what background they are giving Hook and Ariel, the closer this crackship gets to speculative, the tougher it is to just invent the perfect scenario in my head. I always assumed a lot, that Ariel would be main cast eventually, that she would be in her 30′s, that there would be this mashup with Eric. The last is not happening, and now we have this curious “become a mermaid” thing. Where is Eric? Did she love him and lose him or did she leave him for adventure? Her story may not even be as big as Eric’s.
Man, I’ve been through so many versions of headcanon with these two, but it seems no matter how many times I amend it, I always come up with something that makes total sense in my head, so I just can’t stop shipping it. 😆 Also, like RG said, Ariel would get his need to keep moving and exploring, because that’s a part of her as well, so I think they’re a perfect fit as an endgame.
As for Eric’s role, the fact that Gil has only now arrived in Vancouver when they’re probably mostly done with shooting 306 makes me wonder if maybe he’s gonna be a supporting character in Ariel’s longer, overall story. But we’ll just have to wait and see how long he’s around for and when. Good thing about Gil is he seems so excited to be on the show, he’ll probably tweet about it whenever he’s gonna be shooting and will be easy to stalk. 😛
JoAnna is not that unknown but she does have a young family so is she willing to relocate part of the year to film OUAT? Colin obviously made the choice for his career to do just that, but JoAnna is a bit more “Privileged” (she starred in that show). She has done the commute to Canada (though other side of the country, Montreal) as a child star, so she has experienced that. Her husband likely travels a lot for his sports career. I think it is hard to say either way.
I know nothing about how baseball season works over there, and this is something I never expected to google in relation to OUAT, but I see that the season is April to Sept, which I guess means he’s almost done with work for this season, and may have a chunk of time off before pre-season training starts up again? If so, re-locating the whole family to Vancouver for a bit might not be an issue.
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