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Jefferson having so much knowledge about Emma leads me to believe that in a dream of hers, she has gone to Wonderland. Wonderland begins with a little girl dreaming or thinks she is dreaming and going to Wonderland. Henry is on Regina’s side I doubt if they did ever get a chance to talk he’d be very forthcoming to Jefferson. If Cora is the Queen of Hearts I’d doubt she will be forthcoming either. But a little girl having tea with little stuff animals and her friend who is seven years older may tell him. Yes, I will say it can be possible Emma and August travelled to Wonderland. Maybe he wrote the book. The map it looks like he is artistic. From his telescope, drawn out that map of the woods around his house, the one he showed Emma before he drugged her.
[adrotate group="5"]We have never seen Jefferson or August together either nor do we know for sure if they have knowledge of each other. Which if they did and haven;t told us when they do meet it can make for a very good episode.
@Sam993 wrote:
Won’t lie. thought the Mad Hatter will be a redundant character because I thought Rumpelstilskin is quite mad himself and shows it too with his body language and crazy movement, and voice, but Sebastian Stan actually shows what being Mad really is. It’s not just the obviously characteristics (crazy mumbling, crazy voice, and crazy looks ), but it’s about devoting yourself to one idea, to one way, ignoring the rules that the world sets upon us, rejecting the feeling of isolation, and not being able to control your own self (case in point, the tempting movements towards Emma, the abundance of useless hats).
I love how you pointed out that there are different kinds of crazy, because I think that’s very true in the story and also in real life. Crazy isn’t one particular brand of thinking or delusion — it’s you and me intensified, turned up a notch too far. I think we’ve all gotten a little obsessed with an idea or a cause or a desire that’s pushed us right up to the edge, and I think Jefferson and Rumpelstiltskin have just gone a bit farther with that. And I think there are moments or events or people that have the power to snap us out of that, and if Emma is one of those people for Jefferson, then I think she could definitely bring him back from his edge.
Ironically, one thing that I really noticed when comparing Jefferson in SB and Jefferson in Wonderland, was that as dark as he was and as dangerous as he seemed to have gotten in SB, he didn’t seem as crazy as he did when they showed him in Wonderland. I think the difference might be that in Wonderland, his life was completely devoid of his daughter. He couldn’t see her. He had no idea what was happening to her — if she was safe, if she was happy. And that must have driven him crazy with worry, so that he was desperate — so that he would do anything to get back to her, just to see her again. But in SB, he actually could see her (even if he couldn’t interact with her). He could know that she was alright, and he could see that she was happy and well-cared for. I think that’s what actually settled his mind back in SB so that he could devote his energy to finding his way back to FTL — so that he could have method to his madness (as illustrated by his neat rows of identical hats and his orderly house) vs. just madness in Wonderland (as illustrated by the piles of mismatched hats thrown everywhere and the desperation in his eyes as he sewed them).
I also love that when Jefferson first takes Emma to his house, almost everything is shown first directly and then in reflection (Emma standing in front of the fireplace is reflected in the grand piano, Jefferson and Emma are reflected in the tea kettle, Emma waking up on the couch is reflected against the underside of the coffee table). Very “through the looking glass”. And I feel like it’s also showing us the way Jefferson sees the world — that there are other possibilities on the flip side of every surface and knowing that — knowing how close all those other possibilities are — must also make you a bit mad.
@Lady K wrote:
@Sam993 wrote:
Won’t lie. thought the Mad Hatter will be a redundant character because I thought Rumpelstilskin is quite mad himself and shows it too with his body language and crazy movement, and voice, but Sebastian Stan actually shows what being Mad really is. It’s not just the obviously characteristics (crazy mumbling, crazy voice, and crazy looks ), but it’s about devoting yourself to one idea, to one way, ignoring the rules that the world sets upon us, rejecting the feeling of isolation, and not being able to control your own self (case in point, the tempting movements towards Emma, the abundance of useless hats).
I love how you pointed out that there are different kinds of crazy, because I think that’s very true in the story and also in real life. Crazy isn’t one particular brand of thinking or delusion — it’s you and me intensified, turned up a notch too far. I think we’ve all gotten a little obsessed with an idea or a cause or a desire that’s pushed us right up to the edge, and I think Jefferson and Rumpelstiltskin have just gone a bit farther with that. And I think there are moments or events or people that have the power to snap us out of that, and if Emma is one of those people for Jefferson, then I think she could definitely bring him back from his edge.
Ironically, one thing that I really noticed when comparing Jefferson in SB and Jefferson in Wonderland, was that as dark as he was and as dangerous as he seemed to have gotten in SB, he didn’t seem as crazy as he did when they showed him in Wonderland. I think the difference might be that in Wonderland, his life was completely devoid of his daughter. He couldn’t see her. He had no idea what was happening to her — if she was safe, if she was happy. And that must have driven him crazy with worry, so that he was desperate — so that he would do anything to get back to her, just to see her again. But in SB, he actually could see her (even if he couldn’t interact with her). He could know that she was alright, and he could see that she was happy and well-cared for. I think that’s what actually settled his mind back in SB so that he could devote his energy to finding his way back to FTL — so that he could have method to his madness (as illustrated by his neat rows of identical hats and his orderly house) vs. just madness in Wonderland (as illustrated by the piles of mismatched hats thrown everywhere and the desperation in his eyes as he sewed them).
I also love that when Jefferson first takes Emma to his house, almost everything is shown first directly and then in reflection (Emma standing in front of the fireplace is reflected in the grand piano, Jefferson and Emma are reflected in the tea kettle, Emma waking up on the couch is reflected against the underside of the coffee table). Very “through the looking glass”. And I feel like it’s also showing us the way Jefferson sees the world — that there are other possibilities on the flip side of every surface and knowing that — knowing how close all those other possibilities are — must also make you a bit mad.
Absolutely I agree with you!!!! That’s very insightful. I would never consider that the reflection would be a reference to that.
So are you saying that craziness can manifest as it travels to our world? It becomes more implicit? I would say he would go more crazy seeing that she’s happy without him and he doesn’t have her.
Jefferson did not officially turn into the Mad Hatter until that very last scene where he is in the room with all of those hats. He had his marbles up until that point. It was his desperate attempts to recreate the hat to return that drove him mad.
Disappointed that I didn’t see Jefferson and Emma chemistry going on in the Apple episode…Nothings wrong with Regina and Jefferson, of course, but the later is much more provocative.
Jefferson and Regina lack a chemistry because he is just another smuck being used by her. She cares nothing for him nor do I think she intends to keep her promise. If he wanted his promise kept he should have dealt with Gold.
Agreed. You hit the nail on that one. Personally, I think Gold may keep to his word, but he may not give you exactly what you desire (case point: Regina). So in a way, both are extremely risky people.
@charming wrote:
Jefferson did not officially turn into the Mad Hatter until that very last scene where he is in the room with all of those hats. He had his marbles up until that point. It was his desperate attempts to recreate the hat to return that drove him mad.
That’s true. I guess I was thinking that Jefferson’s madness stems from the loss of his daughter and his desperate attempts to get back to her when he’s trapped in Wonderland, but I also think there are things in SB that serve to keep him mad. One of those things is seeing Grace happy and not being able to be with her.
We still do not know Jefferson’s deal. What happened to him since Hat Trick for instance? He’s gone at the end of Hat Trick presumably into the hat and back into Wonderland or wherever but in the last episode we see otherwise. Why? Really what is his deal and who does he really work for? or is he being extorted because it seems his desire to see his daughter is his weakness that Regina is using against him and very well.
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