The Official Doctor Who Thread: Born To Save The Universe

[RumplesGirl]

Is no one watching Doctor Who with me this year? 🙁

If you did, what did you all think of the premiere? I thought it was pretty good. Solid 8/10. I like Bill; she’s sassy and fun and I’m so glad they aren’t making her out to be someone with a destiny (like the Impossible Girl or The Gil Who Waited).

[Jiminy’s Journal]

Is no one watching Doctor Who with me this year?

If you did, what did you all think of the premiere? I thought it was pretty good. Solid 8/10. I like Bill; she’s sassy and fun and I’m so glad they aren’t making her out to be someone with a destiny (like the Impossible Girl or The Gil Who Waited).

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I was disappointed Bill ended up being from the present, after all, but I still love her. I’m just sick of contemporary companions.

What do you think is behind the door? I think it could be Saxon!Master.

What do think is behind the water? I’m thinking Ice Warriors.

This was also my first time seeing Class (took them long enough to bring it to the States). So far, so good. Seems like the Shadowkind could be this year’s arc. I’m wondering if that’s what killed Elton Pope’s mom in “Love & Monsters.” Likewise, I think David Tennant was the Doctor that picked up Quill and Charlie. But, what happened to his boyfriend after the prom? He just vanished. Also, is Capaldi a regular on Class?

[RumplesGirl]

I’m just sick of contemporary companions.

I am as well. Maybe Chibnill will turn that around next year.

What do you think is behind the door

I think you’re right.

This was also my first time seeing Class

I only watched the first episode or two when it aired in the UK.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

This is the first Doctor Who episode in a long time that I’ve actually enjoyed and looking forward to the next one. Bill is infinitely better than Clara, I hated Clara as a companion and I was on the verge of giving up on the show completely because of how annoying she was and how much of a mary-sue she became. I wish she’d died in the facehugger episode.

I have noticed though that the best companions are the ones with no romantic attachment to the Doctor. Donna, Amy, and now Bill all see the Doctor as a friend rather than a potential boyfriend.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

I thought the show handled Bill’s homosexuality well. It was no muss, no fuss. It didn’t turn into a Very Special Episode with Bill having to come out to the Doctor and the Doctor reassuring her or any other suck dreck. Instead, the show just makes it part of Bill along with her other traits.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[sierraleone]

I thought the show handled Bill’s homosexuality well. It was no muss, no fuss. It didn’t turn into a Very Special Episode with Bill having to come out to the Doctor and the Doctor reassuring her or any other suck dreck. Instead, the show just makes it part of Bill along with her other traits.

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It wasn’t clear to me she was a lesbian. IF she is a lesbian, as opposed to bisexual, is she not out to her foster-mom? Her mom said Bill had to be careful of men or something, and made a big deal out of the Doctor being her “foster-teacher” implying her mom thought something improper was happening (or pending). And I assume they are sorta-tight, considering it is strongly implied Bill is college-age, meaning over 18, and she is still living with her foster-mom.

Some Children/Family-Aid agencies in some jurisdictions will help with a transition period, and/or post-secondary education, I have no idea what it is like in the U.K.

I wonder what the story of the Doctor and Bill’s mother was. (I don’t think the only time her met her was to take photos for Bill, what the heck were The Doctor and whats-his-name talking about when Bill eavesdropped?).

[RumplesGirl]

It wasn’t clear to me she was a lesbian. IF she is a lesbian, as opposed to bisexual, is she not out to her foster-mom? Her mom said Bill had to be careful of men or something, and made a big deal out of the Doctor being her “foster-teacher” implying her mom thought something improper was happening (or pending). And I assume they are sorta-tight, considering it is strongly implied Bill is college-age, meaning over 18, and she is still living with her foster-mom.

I get the impression Bill’s foster mom doesn’t know/refuses to acknowledge that Bill is a lesbian. In the same scene you mention, Bill responds with something like “men are not what I’m looking at” or something. I don’t think she’s bisexual and in the press leading up to the premiere both Pearl Mackie and Steven Moffat say that Bill is the first openly gay character in the Whoverse.

And I think there are several indicators that Bill and her foster mom are not tight at all. The foster mom kept all those photos and never bothered to given them to Bill, even though Bill tells the Doctor in the scene before that she’s never seen a picture of her mom. Then there’s the Xmas incident where Bill gives her foster mom a really nice scarf and the foster mom gives Bill an envelope and some cash, as if there’s no thought involved and even Bill says something like “this should cover it” meaning the scarf. So clearly Bill put some thought and time and money into the scarf and the foster mom is just doing her due diligence. Then there’s the night the foster mom is at the bar and says “I think we both know it’s about time I treated myself” as if she’s been burdened for a long time. Taken separately they don’t add up but taken together they make for a less than ideal home life. Also, the reason why Bill is probably still living at home is financial, a lot like Rose who was likewise a working girl living at home. The difference is that Jackie and Rose had a fairly decent relationship.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[sierraleone]

I get the impression Bill’s foster mom doesn’t know/refuses to acknowledge that Bill is a lesbian. In the same scene you mention, Bill responds with something like “men are not what I’m looking at” or something. I don’t think she’s bisexual and in the press leading up to the premiere both Pearl Mackie and Steven Moffat say that Bill is the first openly gay character in the Whoverse.

How narrowly are they defining gay, or Whoverse? Captain Jack Harkness, and one of the characters from Class. Not really important, it is just a little of a curiosity to me.

And I think there are several indicators that Bill and her foster mom are not tight at all. The foster mom kept all those photos and never bothered to given them to Bill, even though Bill tells the Doctor in the scene before that she’s never seen a picture of her mom. 

I thought the Doctor inserted the pictures in their flat recently, but it is equally plausible either way.

Then there’s the Xmas incident where Bill gives her foster mom a really nice scarf and the foster mom gives Bill an envelope and some cash, as if there’s no thought involved and even Bill says something like “this should cover it” meaning the scarf. So clearly Bill put some thought and time and money into the scarf and the foster mom is just doing her due diligence.

I just shrugged at that, but probably because I hate shopping for myself, much less other people, and I have always had trouble with understanding, much less navigating, our cultural social expectations. I have joked to my family about converting to become a Jehovah Witness before to avoid the whole ratchet. So, my perception comes from a difference place than yours, but you are probably right. Obviously they showed that, and the juxtaposition of their gifts, on purpose. If they wanted to show that she was the sort of person who sort of sucked at such things they could have had her boyfriend in that scene getting something similar.

Then there’s the night the foster mom is at the bar and says “I think we both know it’s about time I treated myself” as if she’s been burdened for a long time. Taken separately they don’t add up but taken together they make for a less than ideal home life.

I was looking at these things separately. I did wonder watching that scene if the foster-mom did this on the regular, and wasn’t as rare as the foster-mom seemed to imply. Other-wise I just saw it as her taking care of her own needs, which I think we’d both agree parents are allowed to do occasionally.

I think my honest take-away, before your post anyways, was that they were trying to make Bill’s foster-mom some-what annoying. The first part (X-mas gifts) were too similar to my feelings on the wretched holiday 😉 for me to see it otherwise. I just saw it as more impossible expectations on mother-hood *laughs* Though I know foster-care is almost certainly by default less-than-ideal. I know people who have been in that system. We take kids out of one less-than-ideal situation, and put them in one that is less less-than-ideal, hopefully.

 

[RumplesGirl]

Captain Jack Harkness, and one of the characters from Class. Not really important, it is just a little of a curiosity to me.

I think they are considering Jack to be pansexual instead of bisexual. And with Class, maybe they just meant within the actual Doctor Who show, not the entire canon? I do agree they are rather limiting the definition of gay here, though.

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

This one looks interesting.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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