The promo

[lisas]

@craxyfox wrote:

There seems to be a lot of resentment towards Tamara around the blog realm, and we’ve barely met her yet
Yea she looks a little sketchy from the promo, but most of this dislike seemed to form as soon as we knew that she’s Neal’s fiancée 😆

Oh Yeah I admit that I am a SwanFire Fan. I love Emma & NealFire together with Henry. I think they will eventually end up back together. I wouldn’t call it resentment exactly, It’s just I don’t trust her intentions towards Neal & the people of Storybrooke.

[lisas]

@Ziera117 wrote:

True True, I agree with everything you said, Slurpeez.

May I just say MRJ is AMAZING as Baelfire?!?!?? He is just..perfect. I really really like him a lot. His acting is superb. That alone makes me ship swanfire more! 😆 So…sorry, Tamara…but not sorry.

I agree MRJ is absolutely perfect as Baelfire/Neal. He is actually one of my favorite actors. I think he has got amazing chemistry with Jennifer Morrison. They really need to make him a series regular next season

Keeper of Neal/BaelFire's Blood Magic, Neverland Crossbow, FTL Clothes,Room at Granny’s, Charming & Emma’s Father/Daughter Hugs, Henry's Neverland Crossbow, Rumplestlitskin/Mr.Gold's FTL Walking Stick

[CrownedWithLaurels]

Listened to it for the 4848488559th time after questioning again whether it was Snow or Tamara. Yes I feel like I’m 95% sure it is Tamara. (5% for the randomness the writers could pull out of their hat haha)

Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

[antbee]

@LisaS wrote:

@craxyfox wrote:

There seems to be a lot of resentment towards Tamara around the blog realm, and we’ve barely met her yet
Yea she looks a little sketchy from the promo, but most of this dislike seemed to form as soon as we knew that she’s Neal’s fiancée 😆

Oh Yeah I admit that I am a SwanFire Fan. I love Emma & NealFire together with Henry. I think they will eventually end up back together. I wouldn’t call it resentment exactly, It’s just I don’t trust her intentions towards Neal & the people of Storybrooke.

Yes, I actually didn’t want her to be evil unless they went all the way with it like Cora and not someone that’s obviously an obstacle never to be seen or heard from again sort of like King George.

First, I don’t like the idea of Tamara just being an obstacle never being seen/heard from again because I hate bad love triangles where they try to keep a couple apart by using an outsider who just happens to be evil that way everyone can cheer for the other two parts of the triangle to get together. It’s better writing when the writers make it difficult to cheer for one couple over another because everyone in the triangle is well written and someone isn’t left being one dimensional. I think that Swanfire have enough obstacles that they could have used to keep them apart without a love triangle, and if they do insist on there being one, as the main character of the show, it should be built around Emma not Neal. Plus, if they do get back together, he needs to really woo her to make up for his past mistakes. I know he had good intentions, but he was still in the wrong for sending her to jail like he did.

Second, this show doesn’t have the best record when it comes to POC, so I’m very apprehensive with what they do with Tamara. I was hoping that they wouldn’t make her just a mere inconvenience to SwanFire. I was also hoping they wouldn’t make her evil unless she happened to be a big bad like Cora because I think it’s too easy to make her bad and then have her disappear off the canvas in a short time. No, if she’s bad, I want her to be one of next season’s big bads, and to have as much screentime as Cora got this season.

I did try to give her character the benefit of the doubt before the promo, but now with the promos plus the description of her character about her not stopping until she gets what she wants, I think there’s something more to her character than just having run across Neal and them falling in love. Now sometimes the promos can be misleading, but more often than not this season, they’ve gave away an awful lot before an episode has even aired like the Whale fiasco. Plus, I think there’s some clues this season that might be pointing towards what Tamara is really up to. First, there’s the mysterious HER, and we know how the writers love to make everyone connected, so it seems likely right now that Tamara could be using/working with Greg if she was also using/working with August. Then, there was Rumple’s hint about how no one would miss Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother. It could be true, but it was such an odd thing to include in that episode that more than likely we’ll find out that someone does miss her. If Tamara is only playing Neal, then it could be possible that she wants revenge against Rumple’s son because Rumple killed someone dear to her.

Finally, in last week’s episode, even though we were told before that magic couldn’t make someone love someone else, apparently it can do a pretty good job of fooling someone into thinking that he/she is in love with someone else. Now we know this is going to come up again because of how much attention they drew to it just like with Cora’s candle, we knew that it wasn’t just going to go unused because of how much attention they put on it. It just seemed odd to many SwanFire shippers that Neal fell in love so quickly with Tamara assuming that he just met her right around the time that August left for Storybrooke. I think he probably did feel that Emma did move on and go back to FTL with her family, so it’s possible that he’s just settling with Tamara because she’s a good presence in his life. It’s also possible though that she may have done something to him to get him to believe that he’s in love with her. Since Neal is non-magical but Emma is magical, maybe they had to set up a love triangle like this if Tamara is also magical because Emma could be the only one to stop Tamara’s hold over Neal since it looks like he’s on the outs again with his dad soon, and Regina is definitely not going to come to his aid. It definitely fits in with how SwanFire has parallels between the other two major canon couples in Snowing and Rumbelle if SwanFire has their own Curse that they have to break together with their true love. For Snowing, it was the potion that Snow took that made her forget Charming and the multiple sleeping curses, and for Rumbelle, it was Belle’s kiss to Rumple that started to break the Dark One’s Curse had he let it work, so I could definitely see the writers going there with SwanFire too.

[naomi]

@AntBee wrote:

I was just wondering though if Tamara was connected to the mysterious magical man or not because maybe the price that August has to pay is something about making sure that Emma and Nealfire stay apart. Just throwing it out there.

I wonder if it is something like that. I mean, what “steep price” could August be asked to pay?

So maybe that’s what we’ll see. I was wondering about “the dragon” and the Asian influences in the previews (like with the signage on the street and in the hospital, etc.). Could this be Once’s version of Phuket?

Here’s how I’m thinking the episode will go so far:

August feels pain in Phuket –> tries to get treated –> realizes he’s turning to wood, escapes from the hospital –> meets “the dragon” who offers him a cure at a steep price (I’m assuming August won’t know what the price is exactly..maybe it’s vague, like something to do with a friend’s happiness or love or whatever) –> August selfishly takes the cure(??) –> gets to New York –> tells Neal he’s going to break the curse and everything will be fine –> August rides off into the distance.

And boom: Tamara meets Neal. Price paid.

So, obviously I’m making up the Tamara connection. ( 😆 forgive me, I see Swanfire in everything. lol.) But the rest is a bit more plausible, I think. The whole timing with Tamara meeting Neal just after August leaves for Storybrooke just seems like a HUGE coincidence to me.

On a related note: I still belong to the group of speculators who think August is the “boy” prophesized in Rumple’s undoing. Especially since August turns into a boy this episode. From the previews we saw, er, heard that August confronts someone (Tamara???) about planning to “take magic from Storybrooke”. If August is somehow responsible for her meeting Neal and getting to SB, maybe that’s how the prophesy unfolds?

ETA: Also, one of the random things I hope they’ll show in this episode is August’s reaction to Neal’s engagement (not to Emma!). It sounds obvious that they would show that..but so far we’re missing Regina’s reaction to Neal/Rumplestiltskin’s son and his appearance in Henry’s life… and that seems pretty unrealistic to me. Although she did just lose a mother, so maybe she’s distracted.

[craxyfox]

That’s an interesting theory about August being the prophesied boy, but then again I don’t want Rumple to hurt baby Pinocchio, he’s just too adorable! 😆

Also from the promo, there seems to be more of Chinese writing on posters and signs in the background, so either he’s in the Chinatown part of Phuket or somewhere else? 😆

[Phee]

@Naomi wrote:

@AntBee wrote:

I was just wondering though if Tamara was connected to the mysterious magical man or not because maybe the price that August has to pay is something about making sure that Emma and Nealfire stay apart. Just throwing it out there.

I wonder if it is something like that. I mean, what “steep price” could August be asked to pay?

The “steep price” could be that The Dragon can fix him, but it would mean living the rest of his life knowing that he failed in his task and screwed everyone in SB. If so, then that price was too steep for August, and instead he went back to attempt to fulfill his task instead of taking the easy way out (again).

[antbee]

@Phee wrote:

The “steep price” could be that The Dragon can fix him, but it would mean living the rest of his life knowing that he failed in his task and screwed everyone in SB. If so, then that price was too steep for August, and instead he went back to attempt to fulfill his task instead of taking the easy way out (again).

Assuming the Dragon is Mushu or someone that is connected to Mulan’s world, I think it could go possibly both ways right now. The simplest way is just to have August take the easy way out again and have that be the price, but if they want to do a possible twist that maybe it’s in someone’s or some character’s best interest to have August’s memories be erased, then maybe making sure Emma/Neal don’t get back together was the price that August willingly or unwillingly paid.

So, obviously I’m making up the Tamara connection. ( forgive me, I see Swanfire in everything. lol.) But the rest is a bit more plausible, I think. The whole timing with Tamara meeting Neal just after August leaves for Storybrooke just seems like a HUGE coincidence to me.

Yes, I’m just going by how the writers love to have everyone connected. So going by that, I think Tamara will most likely at least be Greg’s HER, but it’s also possible that she could be connected to the Dragon too. Plus, I like to see Swanfire in everything too, lol, well maybe not quite everything, but ever since I suspected that Bae was going to turn out to be Henry’s father, it really made sense that everything does actually revolve those two because of Bae being the reason the Curse was created and Emma being the only one that could break the Curse. Also, they ended up creating Henry who really is the center of the show, so in a way Swanfire is everywhere and in everything.

Plus, I really think they love to do parallels between Snowing, Rumbelle, and Swanfire when they can and since the other two couples got to be a part of some kind of curse/spell, I don’t think they’ll be able to resist doing this with Swanfire hence the introduction of the Curse of the Empty-Hearted.

On a related note: I still belong to the group of speculators who think August is the “boy” prophesized in Rumple’s undoing. Especially since August turns into a boy this episode. From the previews we saw, er, heard that August confronts someone (Tamara???) about planning to “take magic from Storybrooke”. If August is somehow responsible for her meeting Neal and getting to SB, maybe that’s how the prophesy unfolds?

I like that idea, but I thought K&H ruled it out. I’m not sure though because it seems they’re always on Twitter nowadays that it’s hard to keep track of what they’ve said.

[RumplesGirl]

The “steep price” could be that The Dragon can fix him, but it would mean living the rest of his life knowing that he failed in his task and screwed everyone in SB. If so, then that price was too steep for August, and instead he went back to attempt to fulfill his task instead of taking the easy way out (again).

I think this is the best guess, especially when we take the title of the episode into account. Pinocchio’s story is supposed to be a boy who learned to be selfless, brave, and true. However, August fails on these accounts because he wasn’t built that way. He takes the easy more pleasurable road. He left Emma a car but took the money and hightailed it back to Puket, for example. I think this Dragon (please be named Mushu) character will be able to heal him, make him a real boy but the cost is never seeing his father again, never going home, and living with the shame of what he’s done. Can August choose to be selfless, brave and true after a lifetime of not. Obviously, we already know the answer given that the man showed up in SB.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Second Star]

This promo made me REALLY excited for Tamara. I hope she does turn out to be a villain! 😀

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