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As for RH: it’s an interesting theory. But, who is to say that RH didn’t go all “evil” and bad when Marion died and maybe both he and his daughter Tamara joined THO.
Turning RH into one of the evil guys would be a ballsy move. The character is iconic because he’s one of the good guys.
I can’t see a Robin Hood/Regina romance because Robin’s true love is Maid Marian and they have already been established as characters so Regina can’t be Marian in the way that Rumple is the beast.
The Regina/Robin thing is dependant on Marian being dead, and these two being each other’s second shot at love.
One of things that I’d like about it if they used RH as both Tamara’s father and Regina’s future partner is that they’d be able to cover two necessary storylines without having to bring in new characters we haven’t met yet. If there’s one thing the majority of the fandom can generally agree on, it’s the fewer new characters they add into the mix, the better.
[adrotate group="5"]When they do finally have a same-sex couple, and they will definitely do it, I image it would a fringe couple, too.
If that’s the case, then I hope they don’t have any gay relationships on the show. It would be insulting, offensive and to be perfectly honest patronizing. Tokenism at it’s finest. They would need to at the least be main characters – of some description. It would basically be saying, gay people are not worthy of being main characters – that’s reserved for straight people. This also touches on the issue of PoC’s on OUAT – as in their aren’t many. (And those that are are either killed off, or are cast in stereotypical villain rolls. The show is very white, middle class, very un-diverse).
And Pro Tip: The way you talked about gay people possibly appearing on the show- that they would have to be fringe characters – that’s incredibly insulting and offensive.
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So, once you’ve been with someone, that’s it for the rest of your life then? And you can never meet someone (of either gender) and find love with them? Emma has been with one man that we know of (although she had an affair with a married person) when she was 17.
I never said someone can’t find love with another person after their first love. As for Emma’s relationship history, in Heart Is A Lonely Hunter she says to MM, “One-nighters is as far as I ever go,” which suggests she’s done her fair share of “dating”.
Regina was never in a consensual intimate relationship until later – Leopold doesn’t count as it was a forced marriage. She would have been required to service him – and of course Daniel but they never consummated it. Their was Graham, but that was, hmmm, to scratch an itch shall we say. Their was no ‘love’ involved. I think it’s a bit much to say either of them is straight or wouldn’t find love with a women.
Well we dunno that Regina and Daniel never went for a roll in the hay and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. We do know that they were honestly, completely in love though, and he was a guy. I’m in the camp that isn’t convinced that she ever slept with Leopold, because I just don’t think he’d have been interested. I suspect she likely slept with more of her guards than just Graham, it’s just that he was her fave little pet.
Their are people that have lived their whole lives one way, got married, even had children, and then they meet that certain person – and it just clicks. Past relationships don’t lock you in for love. That’s not how life works.
Like I said in another of my posts, I have a friend who was in that position: married, kids, and is now divorced and an out and proud lesbian. So of course I believe that can happen for people. I’ve just seen nothing that IMO suggests that both Emma and Regina are living in denial about their sexual orientation, and I think that both of them suddenly deciding to switch teams would be completely unconvincing and out of character.
I feel some sympathy for the SQ shippers to be honest. If snows kid had been a boy, and they got some pretty faced dude to play him, every man and their dog would probably be shipping it, but two women? Everyone frowns on it all of a sudden.
Again, as I mentioned in another post, it’s not just the sexual orientation that rules it out for me, it’s also the fact that Regina has tried to kill Emma’s mother multiple times. That’s a big reason why many people can’t wrap their heads around there being any SQ potential, it’s because of the actual storyline, not because they’re both women. So no, I don’t believe a majority of fans would ship Regina with Snowing’s kid if they were an attractive guy instead, because that whole, “tried to kill my family a bunch of times and when she couldn’t she cursed them instead which led to my whole life being an epic hot mess” issue would still exist.
Ha, I’m speculating about Archie and a guy not on the show, speculating about Regina in response to an actual spoiler that there’s a new development in her life is nothing!
RumplesGirl, Hook and Regina seem off also to me, but I think it could happen in the future. I don’t think they’ve already formed a romantic connection, but it could be bad or good if they did. If Neal and Regina is Henry Sr. and Cora, Hook and Regina could be Cora and Rumpel. They might egg each other on to new lows of evil. I do also see it could be the polar opposite, that they’d support each other like two people who have kicked an addiction together sometimes can. It’s a coin flip to me.
In thinking about those betrayals, I realized that we only have Cora’s manipulative words that Regina intended to betray Hook by not giving him his memories to carry out his revenge. We know she had the power to write the curse to give people memories as she did with Jefferson. She could have kept her word, and maybe she might have as her reason for asking Hook to kill Cora was to make sure Cora would not influence her in the new realm. Would she want to risk Rumpel around with all his pleases? We also know that Regina had no idea that Cora lacked a heart. So she didn’t set Hook up to fail. She may have been just as surprised as Smee to realize Hook was not in SB, but she had years to get used to it and rationalize how that happened in some other way, such as, perhaps he went back to NL and the curse didn’t work there. She apparently knew of him and his reputation, when she met him back in her castle for the first time.
So with that idea in mind, her meeting him in the alley in Tiny is interesting. She doesn’t seem to be angry, says it is his lucky day that she and Cora made amends. They continue to be wary allies after that until Cora whaps him into a bookcase. Regina doesn’t try to betray him and when he comes to her in her office, she seems almost glad to see him, up until he tries to lay on the charm about Cora being a friend, then she gets upset seeing the cuff and her demeanor changes and she shoves him off the cliff to be a distraction. So I don’t see them as having already formed a romantic interest, but remaining more neutral rather than carrying active grudges.
He did leave her to be tortured, but he didn’t look especially happy about it either. He seems more like the type to gloat when he has the upper hand, rather than be reserved and walled off. He looks annoyed at Greg, saying “let’s get back to my revenge” as if he had no desire or interest in revenge on Regina, despite what she just pulled. I don’t think that’s active romantic interest though. Maybe he does feel a bit sorry for her, having seen Cora, perhaps knowing the part Rumpel played in making Regina who she was (or at least, Cora’s perspective on that).
Hook likes to talk and find things out (the better to manipulate those around him), and Cora likes to boast. I have a feeling Hook knew quite a bit about Regina from Cora.
But anyway, it’s a coin flip at this point.
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I never said someone can’t find love with another person after their first love. As for Emma’s relationship history, in Heart Is A Lonely Hunter she says to MM, “One-nighters is as far as I ever go,” which suggests she’s done her fair share of “dating”.
But ‘dated’ who? You automatically assume a man, based on one relationship she had when she was 17 – we know nothing else. That’s a huge assumption.
Well we dunno that Regina and Daniel never went for a roll in the hay and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
More big assumptions. I don’t dispute she loved him – deeply. He may have even been her true love – but he’s dead now, and ain’t coming back. And she was incredibly naive at that age – not the sexually powerful force we saw late as Evil Queen. That she might have bedded both men and women during her reign wouldn’t shock me – as we saw she was not averse to using her physical and sexual attributes as a weapon.
It seems people are determining their entire sexual identities on a little actual information. We simply don’t know enough. Emma is completely based on one relationship that she had when she was 17 and that she ‘dated’ – that could mean anything, man or woman. Regina is based on one relationship she had when she was a girl, and her trysts with Graham. As you say Leopold is an unknown, and fair cop, although given the medieval type world they exist in, it’s well known how wives were expected to submit to their husbands. And how old is Regina? Three relationships in her whole life, and almost every interaction with a man has been disastrous. She might have better luck batting for the other team.
As for the issue of Regina killing Emmas mother? Well, on this show that sort of thing isn’t really a problem is it? – all the characters are incredibly messed up. Rumple tried to kill Belles father, not to mention assaulted her in the hospital by kissing her when she had no idea who he was – nobody seems to mind Rumbelle. Plus the whole Lacey fiasco. They are seen as very cute. And what about Hook? He was sleeping with Henrys grandmother, but now he’s going to get together with one of Henry’s mothers? Don’t forget he sold her out to be tortured and resulted in Henry being kidnapped, plus betrayed her to her mother with resulted in all that trauma she went through. And Neal is Henry’s father, and Emma’s ex, but people want him with Regina? Everyone in this town is insane – it doesn’t matter who you pair up, their is always going to be some bizarro thing that’s happened. Like I said though, I’m still rooting for further Regina & Henry relationship progression and her happiness – I don’t care who. Just automatic dismissal of characters because its not the “norm” annoys me. We should be open realistic options – the show is set in the current day too. All shows these days are so samey.
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Personally, if there is a gay/lesbian couple on the show I’d prefer it to be a major one. Repunzel for instance typically just has a prince (Flynn I think is specific to the newest movie) so they could make her love interest a woman easily. The issues is that taking a major couple and making one of the parties an opposite gender (like I suggested with Aladdin and Jasmine) is a pretty big deviation. Let’s face it: it has to serve the story, not just people who are demanding a gay/lesbian couple. The story comes first.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"While I doubt Emma/Regina is ever going to be a romantic thing there’s no reason why Regina’s next LI can’t be a woman. Or have a flashback episode reveal she and Maleficent were more than friends.
It seems people are determining their entire sexual identities on a little actual information. We simply don’t know enough. Emma is completely based on one relationship that she had when she was 17 and that she ‘dated’ – that could mean anything, man or woman. Regina is based on one relationship she had when she was a girl, and her trysts with Graham.
When someone’s writing a TV show, they need to establish who the characters are. Everything they do is to give us an insight into who they are, what their major traits are, etc. If they were intending for one or both of them to be lesbians (or bi), I would think that there would have been some obvious foreshadowing of it. Instead, they have only shown both of them having relationships with men.
They could have written Regina’s backstory having her fall in love with one of the household’s maids, but instead they chose a man who worked in their stables. They could have shown Emma checking out Ruby in her hotpants instead of kissing on Sheriff hotpants. Or hell, they coulda made Nealfire a girl instead.
They’ve given us no hints that either of them are anything but straight, and with all the character development they’ve each had over two seasons, if either of them was gonna be attracted to women, I just reckon we’d have seen foreshadowing of it by now. The fact that we haven’t seen anything suggesting it means that if they suddenly sprung that twist on us, I’d find it fake. I’d consider it something they were doing in a lame attempt to be politically correct by inexplicably altering these characters they’ve gone to great lengths to establish thus far. And altering characters like that just for the sake of having gay characters is not how gay characters should be done. Frankly, it’d be a tad disrespectful.
Making the hero, or even the major villain, of their show gay would be a big deal, just because of the stigma society attaches to it, (not saying the stigma is right, but like it or not, it exists). It’s not an issue they’d treat lightly, and if it was their ultimate intention, I really believe they’d have been laying obvious groundwork for it since day one. One of the main writers on the show is Jane Espenson, the creator and writer of a webseries about a married gay couple. So they have the knowhow on the writing staff to have laid the groundwork for SQ in a convincing way if that was their intention.
As for the issue of Regina killing Emmas mother? Well, on this show that sort of thing isn’t really a problem is it? – all the characters are incredibly messed up.
Indeed they are messed up and that’s what makes them so compelling. For each character who has done something wrong, there will be fans who sympathise with their point of view, (but you’ll also generally find that a fan of any given character won’t just automatically excuse all of their actions).
A good many fans think that Regina was 1000% wrong to ever blame Snow, and all of this crap that’s gone down between them, all the people who have died or been hurt because of Regina’s vendetta, was completely avoidable if only Regina had stopped for 5 minutes to realise she shouldn’t blame an innocent child for her life going to hell. If you have that mindset, then yeah, the fact that Regina tried to kill Emma’s mum is a huge deal, and not something you could imagine Emma forgiving and forgetting to be able to see Regina in a romantic light.
Personally, if there is a gay/lesbian couple on the show I’d prefer it to be a major one. Repunzel for instance typically just has a prince (Flynn I think is specific to the newest movie) so they could make her love interest a woman easily. The issues is that taking a major couple and making one of the parties an opposite gender (like I suggested with Aladdin and Jasmine) is a pretty big deviation. Let’s face it: it has to serve the story, not just people who are demanding a gay/lesbian couple. The story comes first.
Flynn Rider sorta became instantly iconic though. I’ve wondered if they’ll even have Rapunzel on the show at all, just because Tangled is SO recent and well known that showing any deviation from it on OUAT might be a bit jarring?
In a previous post I tossed around the idea of Henry being gay, and I think he’d actually be a good choice. He’s significant and powerful, we don’t know exactly to what extent yet because we haven’t seen why PP wants him, but the fact is, he’s special, strong, and one of the show’s heroes, (even if he annoys you, you’ve gotta admit that he’s vital to the story, and was a driving force in the curse breaking). If they showed someone like him coming to the realisation of being gay, he could be a great, positive, strong role model for other kids going through the same thing. He’s a hero fairytale prince. Hero fairytale princes aren’t typically gay. It’d turn the whole stereotype on its head and they could easily do it believably because Henry is still discovering who he is in life and has no pre-conceived story of who people expect him to end up with. I just dunno that they’d be planning to do anything with Henry in the sense of dating in the next season or two, and there’s no guarantee of how many seasons the show will run for, so if they plan to have a gay character in the near future, he’s probably not a realistic option. If he were a bit older, like 17ish, then maybe it’d be more likely?
Also since Regina is Snow’s step-mother, SwanQueen would mean that Regina is dating her step-granddaughter. Also, I get the feeling Regina tolerates the Charmings for Henry’s sake, that doesn’t mean she’d want them having a more active role in her life.
Rumple tried to kill Belles father, not to mention assaulted her in the hospital by kissing her when she had no idea who he was – nobody seems to mind Rumbelle. Plus the whole Lacey fiasco. They are seen as very cute.
I don’t class the Rumbelle kiss in the hospital as assault. Rumple wasn’t trying to take advantage of Belle and he was trying TLK to see if it would bring her memory back. TLK seems to be a general cure all in FTL so I don’t blame him for trying plus he backed off pretty quickly and apologised to Belle when it was clear it didn’t work.
It seems people are determining their entire sexual identities on a little actual information. We simply don’t know enough. Emma is completely based on one relationship that she had when she was 17 and that she ‘dated’ – that could mean anything, man or woman. Regina is based on one relationship she had when she was a girl, and her trysts with Graham. As you say Leopold is an unknown, and fair cop, although given the medieval type world they exist in, it’s well known how wives were expected to submit to their husbands. And how old is Regina? Three relationships in her whole life, and almost every interaction with a man has been disastrous. She might have better luck batting for the other team.
In BtVS, the character of Willow started out as straight before becoming a lesbian in Season 4. She was also a main character and had a relationship with two male characters before Tara. However there was foreshadowing for Willow becoming a lesbian.
With Regina, there has been no foreshadowing whatsoever. Regina’s relationship with Daniel didn’t end because it was “disastrous”, it ended because her mother killed him. It is highly likely had Daniel not been killed that he and Regina would be happily married by now with several kids. Regina’s relationship with Graham was going well (in Regina’s eyes) until Emma came to town. Regina was the dominant partner in that relationship and had the power. Regina’s marriage to Leopold was arranged so it wasn’t really a “relationship” in the way that Daniel and Graham kind of were.
If they were to introduce a same-sex couple into the show, it would need to be a natural thing and not something that screams “Hello! We’re the token gay couple”. Also the same-sex couple may start off as fringe characters but become more important to the story later on. Perhaps Gepetto and Archie could get something going since they have been life long companions. Cricketto anyone?
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