THE REAL BIG BAD!!! Theories

[Phee]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I think the “chilling reveal” could be that the BF disguised herself as the seer and then gave Rumplestiltskin a cryptic prophesy which ultimately led him to becoming the dark one, to lose his son, and to create the dark curse to bring everyone from the EF to SB.

LOVE this theory!

[RumplesGirl]

This is one of my very favorite theories. I’ve NEVER trusted the BF and I think she’s behind a lot of what’s happened both in FTL and SB. I’m also starting to think that the episode Lacey is about her

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Josephine]

I’ve disliked Blue from “Dreamy” but I began to think she was the ultimate puppetmaster by the season finale. Many, many, many threads have been devoted to how Blue is evil here, and I agree with every one.

Eddy and Adam have said repeatedly that she was good and have been asked multiple times, but I still don’t trust her. I can understand the actress denying it because sometimes actors aren’t told ahead of time or are under contract, but I think the guys have lied to us. I’ll be very shocked if she’s not behind everything.

I actually think it would be fantastic for her to be evil. Fairies aren’t necessarily nice beings in. mythology and old storytelling. Their mishcievous and malevolent so Blue fits right in with them. 😈

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[antbee]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

The BF does have a devious look on her face when she gives Baelfire “the last bean” in the EF. I have wondered in the back of my mind ever since The Return, exactly what her intentions are.

As have I, since usually characters who make speeches about how they’re on the right side, not the good side mind you, almost always turn out to be the bad guys. Plus, I found her facial reactions suspicious too, but unfortunately given what K&H have said, I wonder if it was just a combination of bad acting, directing, and/or editing that lead to them picking that shot to use.

Of course, I never blamed her outright like many BF haters have for giving Bae the magic bean since it was Rumple’s fault that he didn’t honor his deal, but at the same time, I think she did know enough about the situation that the odds were pretty good that Rumple would chicken out since he was still reveling in his Dark One powers. So I could overlook that, but then the whole wardrobe thing happened, and she outright lied to the Charmings, so I thought for sure she was going to turn out to be the ultimate Big Bad until K&H ruled her out.

Yet, I’m also inclined to believe Eddy and Adam would never outright lie to us about her being a protagonist. She may have a very utilitarian view of things (e.g. keeping Nova and Grumpy apart for the “great good” of the EF), but I don’t think that makes her evil. Perhaps, as Phee suggested, however, her good intentions have led her to justify her manipulations as being for a greater cause, which we interpret as being outlandish now, but we’ve yet to see how they play out further down the road. Maybe she feared for the future of the EF and she needed a way to save everyone by bringing them to another realm. Eddy and Adam are certainly setting the story up to have a longer running time than just 2 seasons. I think the “chilling reveal” could be that the BF disguised herself as the seer and then gave Rumplestiltskin a cryptic prophesy which ultimately led him to becoming the dark one, to lose his son, and to create the dark curse to bring everyone from the EF to SB.

I hope so because I think it does give her character more depth and doesn’t make her look just like a plot device when they can’t think of another way to write something.

First, before I write this I think it’s important to remember based on spoilers on “Manhattan” is that the future isn’t so clear cut and that apparently it can be changed, so I don’t think any of these characters will turn out to be the Big Bad. Just based on what K&H have said and the casting list though, if the Blue Fairy is ruled out, I think that basically only leaves Emma, Henry, and Baelfire as being a shocker that would send chills up people’s spines.

I would rule out Emma since she’s already the Savior, and I don’t think they would give her diametrically opposed roles like that. Plus, it adds more drama if there’s a possibility down the line that she might have to fight her son or first/true love in a final battle. Henry would be the biggest shock but since there’s no way of knowing how long OUaT might run, I think it might be too risky to put Jared Gilmore into a role like that since even though he is growing and there have been movies/tv shows about “bad seed” children, because I don’t know if he has enough gravitas to play that dark and why Henry even would at such a young age since I think this would have to happen a long, long time the road if it ever did happen. The only way I could see it working is if it involved time traveling and an older Henry comes to Storybrooke, and everyone has to team up against him. Although I’m going to rule that out for the moment because time traveling can become incredibly confusing, at least to me. I’m sure they won’t be able to resist doing the idea because there’s been so many hints already, but for now I’ll focus on the other candidate.

Baelfire makes sense based on the character’s name since there’s been theories I’ve read based on the “Wheel of Time” series. In fact, I just read another one last night, http://tricksandtreachery.tumblr.com/post/43040905391/unorganized-post-of-thoughts-re-gold-rumpelstiltskin, that theorizes the possibility that somehow Baelfire is responsible for the undoing of events like Graham coming back and/or August reverting back to his child form.

Balefire is a weapon created with the “One Power or the True Power…, described as blindingly bright beam of ‘liquid light’ immediately annihilating anything it touches. Balefire has the added effect of undo the actions done by what it hits backwards in the past.

The only cons against this are that we haven’t really become that Baelfire hasn’t been a main character from the beginning, so I don’t know if it would have as much impact as if it were one of the other characters that’s been there all along. However, he was the reason that Rumple wanted someone to enact the Curse, and there would be a lot of irony in the fact that perhaps Rumple inadvertently saved everyone in FTL since maybe if Bae had stayed there, he would have grown up to be this terrible weapon/leader and destroyed FTL or made everyone’s lives more miserable than even what the Curse did.

[Phee]

@AntBee wrote:

However, he was the reason that Rumple wanted someone to enact the Curse, and there would be a lot of irony in the fact that perhaps Rumple inadvertently saved everyone in FTL since maybe if Bae had stayed there, he would have grown up to be this terrible weapon/leader and destroyed FTL or made everyone’s lives more miserable than even what the Curse did.

Just to mash up a few different ideas that have been proposed….

Let’s say that that’s their endgame reveal, that if Bae had stayed in FTL, he was destined to become some dark force even more powerful than The Dark One. It’s not something they’d reveal now, but perhaps it’s something they’re keeping in the vault for later…

So Blue knows this, and poses as the Seer, as a means to get into Rumple’s head, to set all of this stuff in motion that led to Bae leaving FTL…

A reveal in Manhattan that she was posing as the Seer, and totally played Rumple, would be seen as, “OMG SHE’S THE REAL BIG BAD,” even though she was actually doing it to save FTL from being destroyed by Bae in the long run.

That setup, where her actions look evil to the audience now, even though she’s actually working for the forces of good in the long run, is the kinda thing I was getting at with my previous post. It’d fit the spoiler, and also not make liars out of K&H.

[Josephine]

My mind is blown by that theory. 😮

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

@AntBee wrote:

However, he was the reason that Rumple wanted someone to enact the Curse, and there would be a lot of irony in the fact that perhaps Rumple inadvertently saved everyone in FTL since maybe if Bae had stayed there, he would have grown up to be this terrible weapon/leader and destroyed FTL or made everyone’s lives more miserable than even what the Curse did.

Just to mash up a few different ideas that have been proposed….

Let’s say that that’s their endgame reveal, that if Bae had stayed in FTL, he was destined to become some dark force even more powerful than The Dark One. It’s not something they’d reveal now, but perhaps it’s something they’re keeping in the vault for later…

So Blue knows this, and poses as the Seer, as a means to get into Rumple’s head, to set all of this stuff in motion that led to Bae leaving FTL…

A reveal in Manhattan that she was posing as the Seer, and totally played Rumple, would be seen as, “OMG SHE’S THE REAL BIG BAD,” even though she was actually doing it to save FTL from being destroyed by Bae in the long run.

That setup, where her actions look evil to the audience now, even though she’s actually working for the forces of good in the long run, is the kinda thing I was getting at with my previous post. It’d fit the spoiler, and also not make liars out of K&H.

That’s really interesting Phee. And it fits with the “there is no evil nor good on this show, only shades of gray” theme. Blue is working for the greater good but has to do what many of us would consider, if not outright evil, then not good. But it brings up the question of why Blue let the Curse be cast in the first place. If she’s powerful enough to foresee what Bae would become (which is really interesting and something I would never have even considered!) then why couldn’t she see what Rumple was going to do, what Regina would do and stop it. She offered Bae a way out of FLT but she never does the same for Regina, even though Regina/Bae Cora/Rumple dynamic is SO similar. Then what exactly is Blue’s endgame?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

But it brings up the question of why Blue let the Curse be cast in the first place. If she’s powerful enough to foresee what Bae would become (which is really interesting and something I would never have even considered!) then why couldn’t she see what Rumple was going to do, what Regina would do and stop it.

Didn’t one of the script excerpts have the Seer saying something about a difference between what can be and what will be? Perhaps, if there was a chance of Bae destroying FTL in the future, that was a chance she couldn’t take between “can” and “will”, she simply HAD to take precautions. In doing so, she ended up setting up Rumple finding the curse, which she may not have originally bargained for. Perhaps she’d only planned as far ahead as getting rid of Bae, then she suddenly found herself with the angry Rumple situation on her hands, (he was meant to go with Bae, so she may not have accounted for what actually happened), and had to think on her feet to guide and manipulate all the events beyond that moment as best she could.

[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

But it brings up the question of why Blue let the Curse be cast in the first place. If she’s powerful enough to foresee what Bae would become (which is really interesting and something I would never have even considered!) then why couldn’t she see what Rumple was going to do, what Regina would do and stop it.

Didn’t one of the script excerpts have the Seer saying something about a difference between what can be and what will be? Perhaps, if there was a chance of Bae destroying FTL in the future, that was a chance she couldn’t take between “can” and “will”, she simply HAD to take precautions. In doing so, she ended up setting up Rumple finding the curse, which she may not have originally bargained for. Perhaps she’d only planned as far ahead as getting rid of Bae, then she suddenly found herself with the angry Rumple situation on her hands, (he was meant to go with Bae, so she may not have accounted for what actually happened), and had to think on her feet to guide and manipulate all the events beyond that moment as best she could.

I agree that she thought Rumple would be going with Bae and thus didn’t plan for the angry PapaRumple situation that lead to everything else. But I still go back to my major question that’s been plaguing me and led me down this rabbit hole of “the BF is hiding something:” What was she doing for 250 while Rumple put all this together? She got Bae away from Rumple, away from maybe his corrupting influences to save FTL but she could have done the same with Regina to ensure that Rumple could not use her the way he did. (and yes, I know, Blue said the bean she gave to Bae was the last of it’s kind but I think we can call LIES on that). It seems to me that she’s been sitting back and watching as Rumple plans to go after Bae, something that she couldn’t want IF the theory about Bae being worse than the Dark One pans out. And IF she’s behind getting Henry Jr to SB, why would she want that given that he’s Neal (Bae) son with the savior. That only invites Bae back into the lives of the fairy tale characters. Which all leads back to the question of what is her endgame. If she did want Bae out of the picutre, but was content to let Rumple scheme to get everyone to SB, then there is something else she’s hiding.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Which all leads back to the question of what is her endgame. If she did want Bae out of the picutre, but was content to let Rumple scheme to get everyone to SB, then there is something else she’s hiding.

True! My head is spinning outta control with all this stuff right now. Feel like I’m trippin’ on fairy dust. *headdesk*

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