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If you want I will sit here and make a list of convenient plot devices on this show that have never been again after they were used.
The wand has been proven to do X. Emma did not need Regina’s heart, Rumple’s brain, Charming’s courage and Baby Charming to open a time portal. All she needed was the wand which recreated the magic of Zelena’s Time Travel. Time travel is one of the three laws of magic that cannot be broken, yet, the wand was able to recreate the magic of time travel due to the one condition of the wand…that time travel magic had already been used.
EMMA did that. Not the wand. The wand was a just a wand in the end. EMMA had to use her OWN magic to make it work. And she’s already declared that she’s not going to save Neal because you can’t take away his heroic death from him.
I hear it a different way. In order to use a wand one must be able to use magic. Rumple’s original plan was to use the wand to recreate the time portal and allow Emma and Hook to go through. Then Rumple learned that apparently on the person who went through the time portal can use the wand to open another time portal. He asked Emma if she could use magic and she said no so he said too bad and zapped them into the vault. While in the vault Emma was able to find her magic thus allowing her to use the wand and its special ability to recreate the time portal magic. It wasn’t Emma’s magic that opened the time portal. It was Emma’s magic that allowed her to use the wand to open the time portal. If Emma hadn’t found her magic the wand would not have worked but Emma found her magic thus was able to use the wand. If Hook had magic he would have been able to use the wand because he also had been through the time portal.
Here is the dialogue again.
“There’s a powerful wand, which, uh…I came to possess. Anyway, legend says it can recreate any magic that’s ever been wielded.”When Emma and Hook return for the wand…
“Well, what about this wand you said that could help us?”
“Oh, that. Well, apparently only those who used the portal can reopen it. So unless you can wield magic,
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If Neal is resurrected I don’t think Neal will be the thing that comes up from the grave. I think Baelfire will come back and I don’t think it will be the same actor. I think he will be something dark.
And why would you want that? If they brought Nealfire back only to be some super evil guy, I’m done. I’m out. Peace. Nice knowing you, ONCE. But that’s it.
I trust the writers and their desire to tell a tale of redemption.
Here’s the thing. They think they already did that. They think that they told that tale. It wasn’t told well. That’s on them.
I don’t want Neal to come back as an anti-hero. I just think it is a possibility. If they do that I think they will resolve it in a redemptive way.
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What I am beginning to believe is that the writers have a story to tell and they are only part way through it. I’ve decided to focus not on who is getting together with romantic love but rather who is choosing redeeming love. They are two very different stories. All romantic love ends in the death of the one they love unless they die at the same time. Redeeming love can impact a family for generations. As I have shifted my focus from romantic “shipping” love to redeeming love I am watching the story in a completely different way.
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I’m just going to repeat what Matt said: they have said. many times now, that he’s not coming back. He’s dead. Apart from the errant flashback, Neal Cassidy is gone. I know it’s hard to believe on a show where the dead don’t seem to stay dead when there are so many magical hand waving options, but that’s their stance and they appear to be sticking to it. Even the others actors are on board with that, like JMo at Oz Con.
They might use the wand, sure. But it won’t be to bring Neal back. Emma’s entire speech to Rumple at the end of S3B, that you can’t take Neal’s supposedly heroic death away from him, was the writers telling the audience that yeah he’s gone.
If you want to believe that there is a chance that Neal will come back before this show goes off air, most likely either after this season of 5, then please, by all means, do. But I think you’re putting a lot of faith in a convenient plot device that we may never see again–just like we’ve never seen so many one off plot devices–and a lot of faith in the writers who think that they’ve already told the story you’re proposing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I guess I get the thought process on the surface – that yes, it could be done, but I have to agree with RG & MP here…I don’t think for a moment it will be done…
If they were to bring Neal/Baelfire back but use a different actor in, I think many viewers would have a huge problem with that. I, for one, liked Neal and thought there was a lot of potential for a great storyline, but would have to say I’m definitely more in the ambivalent camp when it comes to others who have posted so far. However, I would hate to see anyone besides MRJ playing Neal. I can’t imagine viewers who are extremely connected to the character would be very accepting of recasting of the role either (just taking a shot in the dark here…so I could be completely wrong). I guess they could bring back the kid (who’s not so much ‘kid’ anymore) that played young Bae to take over the role, but I think that’s asking your casual viewers to remember and accept a LOT. I don’t know that the casual viewer is willing to be that accepting and I definitely don’t think the casual viewer is going to remember enough to be able to follow the storyline. And that’s something that A&E are going to have to keep in mind, as OUAT interestingly has a fairly large rabid (who, us?! tee hee) fanbase, as well as a good amount of casual viewers as well.
Ultimately, I think they had a great idea when it came to Neal/Baelfire, got themselves 2 very good actors to play the role…but somewhere along the line they just totally botched the character and storyline…so they did the easiest thing possible – they killed off the character. Was it bold? In my opinion, no. Taking the easy way out? Yes. And I don’t know that the writers are willing to tread those waters again.
I would not be shocked if they brought young Baelfire back, and used the younger actor. I think Neal is tragically gone, and I think that kills off part of the heart of the show.
They may not have done it for a ship, but I’m convinced there’s some reason beyond “story” behind it, because as a story decision it’s SO unsatisfying.
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They may not have done it for a ship, but I’m convinced there’s some reason beyond “story” behind it, because as a story decision it’s SO unsatisfying.
I think it’s good for the show. Neal was a loose end from the discarded Home Office storyline. He didn’t have his own background tale, just his relationships to other characters.
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I think Neal is tragically gone, and I think that kills off part of the heart of the show.
This show rapidly became a lesson in futility.
I don’t think the wand is the thing that wields the magic otherwise why couldn’t non-magic Emma just use the wand to open the portal or Hook. We saw Robin, who doesn’t have magic, use a wand to heal Marian.
Rumple had magic but couldn’t use the wand, therefore I think it’s the person who “cast” the spell that can use the wand to repeat it. Since Emma went through the time portal first, I think the magic mistaked her as the “caster” (and if you cast a spell you have to have magic) hence why Emma had to get her magic back to cast the spell.
I agree that nobody would accept anyone else other than MRJ as Neal so Neal isn’t coming back. However they could use Baelfire’s young actor as an older younger version of Neal. Perhaps as the age Baelfire was just before he stopped looking like Baelfire and began to look like Neal.
I think it’s good for the show. Neal was a loose end from the discarded Home Office storyline. He didn’t have his own background tale, just his relationships to other characters.
Neal could’ve done with some background to flesh him out more.
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Keeper of FelixNeal was at the heart of the story in a lot of ways. His character (as Baelfire) was introduced in the first season, and Rumplestiltskin’s entire backstory revolved around his relationship with his son. The show’s structure from the start always hinged on Rumple as one of the two antihero/antagonists; he’s not the whole show but he’s a MAJOR player. The home office plotline was not his whole reason for existing; he was already a major part of half the main character’s lives.
So I disagree with you that his purpose was lost in the home office plot. There was a lot that could have been explored with his past–I’d happily have seen more Neverland backstory, for example–and I still have some hope left that they will explore some of those loose ends. They have the opportunity. Heck, if they can do a complete remake of Snow Falls, they can go back and look at Neverland again if it fits into a particular story arc–very easily, and even without bringing Neal back from the dead.
I still have some hope that Rumple won’t let his son stay dead. It doesn’t quite seem within his character to ever let go.
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