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I’m just going to repeat what Matt said: they have said. many times now, that he’s not coming back. He’s dead. Apart from the errant flashback, Neal Cassidy is gone. I know it’s hard to believe on a show where the dead don’t seem to stay dead when there are so many magical hand waving options, but that’s their stance and they appear to be sticking to it. Even the others actors are on board with that, like JMo at Oz Con. They might use the wand, sure. But it won’t be to bring Neal back. Emma’s entire speech to Rumple at the end of S3B, that you can’t take Neal’s supposedly heroic death away from him, was the writers telling the audience that yeah he’s gone. If you want to believe that there is a chance that Neal will come back before this show goes off air, most likely either after this season of 5, then please, by all means, do. But I think you’re putting a lot of faith in a convenient plot device that we may never see again–just like we’ve never seen so many one off plot devices–and a lot of faith in the writers who think that they’ve already told the story you’re proposing.
I agree with RG. I think the only times we will see Neal onwards is in flashback (like with Graham), and it only be when it’s relevant to the story.
I know it’s difficult to take death seriously on Once because we have seen characters come back from the dead (Rumple), but I appreciate how in the case of Neal, it’s more definitive.
I watched NBC Heroes from beginning to end and death was never taken seriously on that show. They always teased that a character would die each season, but then the writers would find a way to bring him or her back. Nathan Petrelli died five or six times within the span of the show before really dying before the show’s end.
Trust me, watching a character constantly being put into that type of situation repeatedly is wary on the viewer. Between that and Neal’s death, I’d prefer Neal’s death because there’s no roller coaster of emotions.
I hope that makes sense.
[adrotate group="5"]I think the only times we will see Neal onwards is in flashback (like with Graham), and it only be when it’s relevant to the story.
There will be no place for a Neal flashback that’s relevant to the current story because the only person who associated with him in the past was Emma. There is simply no way for them to make a Neal flashback relevant (unless they want to elaborate on how in love he and Emma were, but something tells me they’ll never touch on that again), or even a Bae flashback. Dylan’s age and appearance would make it laughable for them to do any pre-NL flashbacks, and flashbacks to NL where Bae didn’t age would look ridiculous with older Dylan too (and anyway I’m pretty sure they’re done with NL). The only portion of time they could use Dylan for was after Bae got to our world, but he knew none of the present day characters then, so they couldn’t tie those flashbacks in in any relevant way, and anyway what would be the point of fleshing the character out more if he’s dead.
Basically, there’s no place for Nealfire flashbacks of any kind, so I wish they’d stop using that as part of their stock answer for this question. It’s patronising, like they don’t know that we’re aware and intelligent enough to realise that those flashbacks won’t have a place, so they’ll just (attempt to) placate us for now by suggesting we might see him again. Pfffft, what-ever, they just need to stop saying that.
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I think the basic gist of it all is that IF A&E wanted to bring Neal back they COULD. Whether or not they will or won’t isn’t the point. But they CAN do it. Even I posted a theory a while ago about how rump could go back and bring himself back to life which would both save his past self (and thus ensure his future self being alive) and also save Bae from dying. It could totally work if they go down that road. There are ways to bring Neal back <—- this is all that we can agree on.
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If they want Neal back and MRJ wants to be back he would be back.
If they want Neal back and MRJ doesn’t want to be back he won’t be back.
If they don’t want Neal back and MRJ doesn’t want to be back he won’t be back. ( I think this is closer to the truth)
There are several ways to bring this character back if they choose to that and all of them no more believable than what they have used (shared heart, reduce to a child, magic water, special wand, they can have Neal be resurrected from magic dirt mixed in with Irish cream & purple jelly fish jam and it will fit in with the rest of the magical fix-it-uppers) but they lack the will to do it.
I recently had a plausible dream that Neal was resurrected as some sexy evil ghoulish demon like being because of the powers of a Dark Sorceress Hectate type of villainess wished it. Neither living nor dead but simply undead. Just that simple. Heck they can introduce Hades or Shadow Man or Jafar to be the baddie that resurrect Neal. But why wasn’t his body rotten you say. Oh because you know magic stuff that deals with the vault left his body perfectly preserved down there. All of this is perfectly unbelievable and yet quite believable with what we had thus far.
There is always a way but without the will its moot.
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But why wasn’t his body rotten you say. Oh because you know magic stuff that deals with the vault left his body perfectly preserved down there. All of this is perfectly unbelievable and yet quite believable with what we had thus far.Or maybe Neal’s body did rot and the magic that brought him back restored his body like in Buffy the Vampire Slayer when Buffy was resurrected in season 6 after dying at the end of season 5.
Unless they do an episode where Henry messes around with the laws of magic and inadvertently semi-brings Neal back to life, in which then the Neal flashbacks would be relevant to the present-day story, I doubt we’ll see Neal again though there is still that period of time when Neal and Emma were together before August happened so unless they plan to unwisely compare Emma’s current day relationship with her past one (thus kicking up the CS vs SF ship war again) then Neal flashbacks are unlikely.
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Keeper of FelixI think the only times we will see Neal onwards is in flashback (like with Graham), and it only be when it’s relevant to the story.
There will be no place for a Neal flashback that’s relevant to the current story because the only person who associated with him in the past was Emma. There is simply no way for them to make a Neal flashback relevant (unless they want to elaborate on how in love he and Emma were, but something tells me they’ll never touch on that again), or even a Bae flashback. Dylan’s age and appearance would make it laughable for them to do any pre-NL flashbacks, and flashbacks to NL where Bae didn’t age would look ridiculous with older Dylan too (and anyway I’m pretty sure they’re done with NL). The only portion of time they could use Dylan for was after Bae got to our world, but he knew none of the present day characters then, so they couldn’t tie those flashbacks in in any relevant way, and anyway what would be the point of fleshing the character out more if he’s dead. Basically, there’s no place for Nealfire flashbacks of any kind, so I wish they’d stop using that as part of their stock answer for this question. It’s patronising, like they don’t know that we’re aware and intelligent enough to realise that those flashbacks won’t have a place, so they’ll just (attempt to) placate us for now by suggesting we might see him again. Pfffft, what-ever, they just need to stop saying that.
Agree, and when the flashbacks wont happen, they will say the same they said about Jamie and about Sebastian, MRJ was to busy to appear in any flashbacks, we wanted him, but was not possible , we never lied to you.
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This pretty much sums it all up If they want Neal back and MRJ wants to be back he would be back. If they want Neal back and MRJ doesn’t want to be back he won’t be back. If they don’t want Neal back and MRJ doesn’t want to be back he won’t be back. ( I think this is closer to the truth) There are several ways to bring this character back if they choose to that and all of them no more believable than what they have used (shared heart, reduce to a child, magic water, special wand, they can have Neal be resurrected from magic dirt mixed in with Irish cream & purple jelly fish jam and it will fit in with the rest of the magical fix-it-uppers) but they lack the will to do it. I recently had a plausible dream that Neal was resurrected as some sexy evil ghoulish demon like being because of the powers of a Dark Sorceress Hectate type of villainess wished it. Neither living nor dead but simply undead. Just that simple. Heck they can introduce Hades or Shadow Man or Jafar to be the baddie that resurrect Neal. But why wasn’t his body rotten you say. Oh because you know magic stuff that deals with the vault left his body perfectly preserved down there. All of this is perfectly unbelievable and yet quite believable with what we had thus far. There is always a way but without the will its moot.
agree, is not a case if is possible or not, in this show with some of the things they have done, and not even explain them, they can do everything, the main issue is will they want to bring Neal back and if MRJ wants to return and at this point none of this things are options, about MRJ will be the same he said when people used to ask him about True Blood, and he said that every actor wants to move to other things that make them grow in acting, and not go back to the past, bc that is not evolution.
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That can work POM, MAGIC. LOL Although my dream was more about Henry and Rumple and less of Emma. And Neal was set up as part of the big bad thing. Rumple and Henry helping Neal deal with the darkness fpr the finale season.
Flashbacks seem unlikely unless it is used for Rumple and Henry as sort of a parallel and comparison.
I Do not want Flashbacks to be connected to SF vs CS stuff at all. Because in all honesty no need for that on either side of the gulf. Let those who mourn, mourn and those who are happy be happy.
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