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March 21, 2016 at 10:56 am #319702SlurpeezParticipant
Milha was mad at Rumple for taking away her chance for a second child with him, but then she up and abandoned her only child, Bae. Makes no sense. Seriously.
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March 21, 2016 at 11:11 am #319703thedarkonedearieParticipantMilha was mad at Rumple for taking away her chance for a second child with him, but then she up and abandoned her only child, Bae. Makes no sense. Seriously.
She obviously did not care for Bae like Rumple did. I get she’s angry and unhappy, but it was a really bad choice. Which is why she deserved to get thrown into the lost souls river.
March 21, 2016 at 11:27 am #319707GaultheriaParticipantAnd I really felt sorry when I learned that all she wanted was a chance to make it up to Baelfire, but was robbed of it by Rumplestilskin who cast her into the River of Souls where she is forced to endure eternal suffering when she could have had the chance to redeem herself.
Neal rolled over once again in his grave, and I just feel that if Rumple denies Milah a reunion with Baelfire, I don’t really think he deserves one either.
I suspect they’re setting up the final rescue scene of Hercules, with Rumpel and Milah as Herc and Meg.
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March 21, 2016 at 2:31 pm #319723ouatrandothoughtsParticipantAm I the only one who felt like the whole “Rumple denied Milah the right to more children” was some straw man culpability they’re shoving onto him? It would have worked better if you got even the slightest indication she wants more kids or likes the one she has–but considering the alternative was him murdering someone, I don’t really see why we’re supposed to feel bad for Milah for THAT. Is the show trying to justify her cheating on him? There’s just no way to make the extremeness of her position (hating Spinner Rumps to the point of skipping out on him and her son without even a goodbye) narratively tenable.
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March 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm #319724GaultheriaParticipantAm I the only one who felt like the whole “Rumple denied Milah the right to more children” was some straw man culpability they’re shoving onto him? It would have worked better if you got even the slightest indication she wants more kids
I get the impression that Milah wants to hurt Rumpel, and that she knows that anything to do with family is an effective way to twist the dagger. She has some real, positive feelings, but a lot of what we see is an act that she puts on so that she can feel strong in the relationship.
I don’t know if we’ve ever seen the real reason for why she resents him. Maybe she was in love with the idea of marriage and then found out too late that Rumpel didn’t make her feel the way she thought he would.
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March 21, 2016 at 3:54 pm #319732PriceofMagicParticipantI don’t think Rumple killed Milah out of spite, he did it because he needed protect his unborn child and Hades was holding all the cards.
What I find interesting though is that Rumple is yet again paying for the mistake of trying to be a good man in his past and not wanting to be a murderer. Also the fact that Milah sends Rumple to do the deed rather than doing it herself plays into the expected gender roles of men in the EF which unfortunately for Rumple he didn’t fit into.
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Keeper of FelixMarch 21, 2016 at 5:20 pm #319744RumplesGirlKeymasterAm I the only one who felt like the whole “Rumple denied Milah the right to more children” was some straw man culpability they’re shoving onto him?
Yes, it tries to remove a lot of the blame Milah (and to a much lesser extent, Hook) shoulder and instead placed it on Rumple’s shoulders. Suddenly Milah isn’t just bored and unhappy; suddenly she’s been denied her own agency over her future.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 21, 2016 at 5:20 pm #319745RumplesGirlKeymasterAm I the only one who felt like the whole “Rumple denied Milah the right to more children” was some straw man culpability they’re shoving onto him?
Yes, it tries to remove a lot of the blame Milah (and to a much lesser extent, Hook) shoulder and instead placed it on Rumple’s shoulders. Suddenly Milah isn’t just bored and unhappy; suddenly she’s been denied her own agency over her future.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 21, 2016 at 5:43 pm #319758nevermoreParticipantYes, it tries to remove a lot of the blame Milah (and to a much lesser extent, Hook) shoulder and instead placed it on Rumple’s shoulders. Suddenly Milah isn’t just bored and unhappy; suddenly she’s been denied her own agency over her future.
Yup, whitewashing Hookah has the added bonus of making Rumple look worse.
And I’m usually the first one to point out OUAT’s ridiculous writing, but I actually thought they did find a certain balance there, in the sense that Milah was made more sympathetic (i.e. understandable), but not in any way more likable. I think what we’re meant to see is that Milah’s utterly repulsed by Rumple – physically and emotionally. This isn’t about a marriage that’s flawed but fixable. This is about the kind of relationship where the mere sight of your partner makes you want to claw your own face off. That scene where she tells him to go off and kill the “healer” and kisses him for good luck, I kept expecting her to wipe her mouth — instead she promptly takes a swig of ale, with an expression of deep distaste. So I think what we’re being showed is a woman who feels desperately trapped in a marriage in which she finds her partner revolting. It seems open to interpretation whether the MacBethian encouragement to kill might not be one way to either make Rumple into what she thinks she wants him to be — “masculine” in a very particular way — or get him killed in the process. Similarly, when he returns with the potion, it seems she is more excited about the fact that he potentially lived up to her expectations of masculinity than about saving her kid. I’m not necessarily buying the desire for more children — after all, we know that Milah wanted to travel, rather than be stuck with “responsibilities”. She does seem to have a fairly rigid idea of what her life should be — 2.5 kids, a dog, a white picket fence. But Rumple’s not providing that, and besides, she doesn’t really want it.
Anyway, we’re also not seeing Rumple through her eyes — Milah is an unreliable narrator in this case. The audience sees a Rumple we’ve been shown before — weak, but loving, good at heart and not prone to violence. Prone to terribly short-sighted decisions, but not to evil, as such. I think the tragedy of it all is that Rumple’s right, to some extent — she did contribute to making him who he is now, and he to her. They are utterly responsible for each other.
March 21, 2016 at 6:11 pm #319771WickedRegalParticipantAm I the only one who felt like the whole “Rumple denied Milah the right to more children” was some straw man culpability they’re shoving onto him?
Yes, it tries to remove a lot of the blame Milah (and to a much lesser extent, Hook) shoulder and instead placed it on Rumple’s shoulders. Suddenly Milah isn’t just bored and unhappy; suddenly she’s been denied her own agency over her future.
Milah abandoning her only child to run off with a pirate is one of the sole reasons I don’t really like her, but seeing her breaking point with Rumple, I could sympathize with her a little, but it doesn’t excuse her actions. I felt sorry for her when I learned she actually regretted leaving her son behind, and has missed him this entire time, and wanted to reunite with him in the after life…..unfortunately Rumple robbed her of that.
I think Rumple and Milah’s marriage could have been saved….I don’t really think she was aware of her husband’s past that led him into becoming so fearful of everything in life. Had she any inclination on the reasons why her husband was the way he was, I think her tolerance and understanding of the situation could have salvaged their marriage. Then again, do we even know why Rumple was a coward, was it because Peter Pan abandoned him as a child? I think we need a backstory of Rumple’s coward origins so we can understand what turned him into one in the first place.
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