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Rumple’s motives were not to harm Belle or his son, but to protect them.
Well I disagree that Rumple’s motives were to protect his son. I think Rumple’s doing what Rumple does at this point in the show–he protects himself first and foremost. He wants to protect what is left of his broken and fragile ego and sense of self worth (a thing I used to adore about him) and because he can’t face the idea of another son not loving him (which is codswallop…seriously, someone bring up Bae and not just as a reminder that he died!) he panics and resorts to black magic and trickery and abuse and manipulation. It’s self preservation, not protection. I has nothing really to do with loving his son and everything to do with hating himself and maybe that’s sympathetic (Bobby’s acting like you said does sell a lot of this) but that doesn’t mean that Belle or Gideon or anyone–least of all the audience–should be hoping for a happy, lovey dovey ending because his methods are deplorable.
The best case scenario is that Rumple gives up his magic and goes to live a life of seclusion, to ATONE (a concept this show has historically done poorly with) by accepting what he said way back in 3A “villains don’t get happy endings.” Maybe he’s actually right about that. Maybe he doesn’t get one. I don’t think he should anymore. I think his happy ending is inner peace and not external love. And that either comes through a life lived alone or through making peace with himself before death.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I really don’t think this relationship needs discussion or debate. I think the answer to your question is obvious.
It is clear that he is abusive and has no will to change.
No more chances, no more redemption.
Rumbelle is over. It was over the second he decided to become the Ultimate! Dark One and take all the power of all the previous DO.
I live in fear of the writers turning this relationship around.
The only thing that would save it is Rumple somehow giving up his powers voluntarily and without dying.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
I can’t blame anyone who has given up on it at this point, honestly. I just can’t give up on it yet myself.
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“Hey look! That guy who mentally and emotionally assaulted his wife got forgiven and a happy ending! Women in these kinds of relationships…just keep on trucking. And taking him back. He’ll change for you eventually.”
Why do we always leave off the abuse that Belle is inflicting on Rumple. Rumple is not the only one being abusive is this relationship. I am not excusing his behavior although I will say that I agree with Keb that it was done in the thought of protecting Belle and his son. Pirate ship was done becasue he thought she was in danger from EQ and Hyde, cuff link was done in response to Belle stating that she was taking their kid and leaving so he could never find her or his son again. Rumple is almost always defensive and not offensive. Most of this abuse comes form the verbal and emotional abuse that Belle has been throwing at him. I know this is not the popular opinion but I am calling it like I am seeing it, Belle is being just as abusive to Rumple as he is to her, does that make all this okay, NO but we need to stop thinking of Rumple as the evil guy and Belle the innocent victim. They are both to blame in this horrible situation and they both need to work on their behaviors.
Well I disagree that Rumple’s motives were to protect his son. I think Rumple’s doing what Rumple does at this point in the show–he protects himself first and foremost. He wants to protect what is left of his broken and fragile ego and sense of self worth (a thing I used to adore about him) and because he can’t face the idea of another son not loving him (which is codswallop…seriously, someone bring up Bae and not just as a reminder that he died!) he panics and resorts to black magic and trickery and abuse and manipulation. It’s self preservation, not protection. I has nothing really to do with loving his son and everything to do with hating himself and maybe that’s sympathetic (Bobby’s acting like you said does sell a lot of this) but that doesn’t mean that Belle or Gideon or anyone–least of all the audience–should be hoping for a happy, lovey dovey ending because his methods are deplorable. The best case scenario is that Rumple gives up his magic and goes to live a life of seclusion, to ATONE (a concept this show has historically done poorly with) by accepting what he said way back in 3A “villains don’t get happy endings.” Maybe he’s actually right about that. Maybe he doesn’t get one. I don’t think he should anymore. I think his happy ending is inner peace and not external love. And that either comes through a life lived alone or through making peace with himself before death.
This I agree with. But unfortunately I do think that by not having Rumple accelerate the pregnancy, they are setting us up for a Rumbelle reunion at some point. It’s not what I want either but I think that’s what’s going to happen. Before this episode I thought there was no way they could mend this relationship but after this episode, I can see the writing on the wall.
Why do we always leave off the abuse that Belle is inflicting on Rumple. Rumple is not the only one being abusive is this relationship
I do agree with that. Belle’s being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman who uses her love as a weapon and bargaining tool. “Do what I want and I’ll love you. If you don’t behave in a manner I like, then I take my love away!”
I think we get caught up in talking only about Rumple’s abuse because it’s more obvious but Belle has been horrible as well.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think their relationship is abusive and always has been and they will get back together by the end of the season.
I do agree with that. Belle’s being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman who uses her love as a weapon and bargaining tool. “Do what I want and I’ll love you. If you don’t behave in a manner I like, then I take my love away!”
Not only take my love away but take your kid away and you will never get to see him. That is a problem. And to say that she is being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman discounts all the problems of last season when she did the exact same thing. I love you, I hate you. We can be together, I don’t want you. Belle has been emotionally tormenting Rumple since he woke up from the coma, and he has been taking it. Sounds like he is the victim when you put it that way.
I do agree with that. Belle’s being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman who uses her love as a weapon and bargaining tool. “Do what I want and I’ll love you. If you don’t behave in a manner I like, then I take my love away!”
Not only take my love away but take your kid away and you will never get to see him. That is a problem. And to say that she is being written as a very cliche hysterical pregnant woman discounts all the problems of last season when she did the exact same thing. I love you, I hate you. We can be together, I don’t want you. Belle has been emotionally tormenting Rumple since he woke up from the coma, and he has been taking it. Sounds like he is the victim when you put it that way.
I’m sorry, but no.
I don’t think Belle is being in any way abusive. She is setting boundaries to protect her son and herself from an abusive man.
Boundaries can also contain conditions, and her conditions are perfectly normal and reasonable. At least by saying ”if you do x then you can have a relationship with your son and maybe me too” she is giving him a chance. If she said, ”I don’t care if you change, from now on you can’t see your son or me” then that would be less reasonable because she would be giving him NO chance.
Going by your logic, every time we lock up a criminal (and crime doesn’t have to be just actions, it can be emotional abuse, too) or tell them that they are free but on certain conditions, or that they will be but on a restraining order, then the law is being abusive!!!
Keeper of Regina's bravery
“Hey look! That guy who mentally and emotionally assaulted his wife got forgiven and a happy ending! Women in these kinds of relationships…just keep on trucking. And taking him back. He’ll change for you eventually.”
Why do we always leave off the abuse that Belle is inflicting on Rumple. Rumple is not the only one being abusive is this relationship. I am not excusing his behavior although I will say that I agree with Keb that it was done in the thought of protecting Belle and his son. Pirate ship was done becasue he thought she was in danger from EQ and Hyde, cuff link was done in response to Belle stating that she was taking their kid and leaving so he could never find her or his son again. Rumple is almost always defensive and not offensive. Most of this abuse comes form the verbal and emotional abuse that Belle has been throwing at him. I know this is not the popular opinion but I am calling it like I am seeing it, Belle is being just as abusive to Rumple as he is to her, does that make all this okay, NO but we need to stop thinking of Rumple as the evil guy and Belle the innocent victim. They are both to blame in this horrible situation and they both need to work on their behaviors.
Totally agree with you. Belle has displayed some abusive behaviour too and I am not excusing Rumple’s behaviour either. Belle has called Rumple a coward/weak/beast/monster in front of others quite a lot this season and as far as I am concerned, demeaning your partner in front of others is a sign of emotional abuse. Same could be said about making subtle threats, how many times has Belle told Rumple that she’s going to go far away and that he is never going to see his child again? Quite a few times.
I do find that Belle has sort of been playing the role of the victim, I know she’s been through a lot but still, she’s been deflecting the blame to Rumple more than taking responsibility. Unfortunately, her “friends” never really question her decisions, so I guess it’s hard for her to realize that she is not being as self-righteous as she thinks she’s being.
Would have been nice if the convos she had with Snow and Charming had been longer and more meaningful.
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