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March 29, 2015 at 11:26 pm #300192SlurpeezParticipant
Could magic be leaving Storybrooke somehow? Slipping away? Rumple brought it to the town with his magic potion but maybe that is wearing off…hmmmm…..
Maybe the magic is connected to Emma’s heart darkening. She’s a product of TL, as is the magic potion from her parents.
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March 30, 2015 at 5:45 am #300218PheeParticipantMy love…I need to tell you this while it still matters.
That part to me makes it sound like the darkness is going to completely consume his heart, at which point it will no longer “matter” what he does or doesn’t feel for Belle, or anyone else. I don’t necessarily think he’s anticipating dying, I think it’s just that he’s anticipating losing the last shred of his humanity. Unless he finds a way to stop it.
March 30, 2015 at 8:55 am #300226RumplesGirlKeymasterMy love…I need to tell you this while it still matters.
That part to me makes it sound like the darkness is going to completely consume his heart, at which point it will no longer “matter” what he does or doesn’t feel for Belle, or anyone else. I don’t necessarily think he’s anticipating dying, I think it’s just that he’s anticipating losing the last shred of his humanity. Unless he finds a way to stop it.
The promo though…..I think we’re about to learn that Rumple is on a time table and if he doesn’t succeed in changing everything, he’s a goner
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 30, 2015 at 9:45 am #300247PriceofMagicParticipantI really hope they don’t kill off Rumple. He’s one of the reasons I watch the show. If he goes, the show will definitely lose one of their major assets. RC leaving is the beginning of the end of Once.
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Keeper of FelixMarch 30, 2015 at 9:46 am #300249PheeParticipantYeah I know, but I just don’t ever trust a promo, so I’m not convinced it’ll be that straightforward. Weren’t there set photos of Rumple wandering around town with the Author?
March 30, 2015 at 9:51 am #300252RumplesGirlKeymasterYeah I know, but I just don’t ever trust a promo, so I’m not convinced it’ll be that straightforward. Weren’t there set photos of Rumple wandering around town with the Author?
Yes, and that should be coming up in show pretty soon. But…Rumple dying would be end of the season. I think Rumple will get the Author to do his bidding, but it will all be undone before season’s end…resulting in Rumple and his dark small heart dying
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 30, 2015 at 1:00 pm #300310JosephineParticipantI think in that promo the picture of him in the hospital bed might be a flashback to when he was kicked out of town, in the real world. Maybe he had some kind of evil epiphany during a close call?
Rumple has always played things close to the vest, but in season one they gave us clues and then Desperate Souls. We knew pretty early his motivations. It helped us fall in love with his story and struggle. But now, we get a breadcrumb and that’s it. Are they trying to get him to be the ultimate villain, kill our love of the character, so we will cheer his demise and think it’s great for the show?
What they don’t realize is that it’s Bobby’s acting itself that made many of us love the show. The writing is cheesy, the plot is farcical and yet Bobby is such a great actor that we cared about this outlandish imp. His story is intertwined into the fabric of Once so completely, much like Bae, that his absence will be glaring. The thing is, if they’d have stayed with their original story of him dying as a sacrifice to save everyone like in 3a, more people would have bought it. It was an organic outcome of him going from a point of seeing his grandson as his downfall to help saving him and in turn saving the town.
But then when did anything the writers decide make sense. They had a beautiful story in Rumbelle and 1) never gave them any screen time 2) tortured Belle in some way or fashion every step of the way and 3) completely decimated it. I also wonder if that was an order from highers up….a much older man and younger woman might not have tested well in “focus groups” when presented outside the context of the show. Who knows.
And now I’ll shut up from rambling.
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March 30, 2015 at 3:55 pm #300334storybrookegirlParticipantWell, what with 1) the goodbye-type speech to Belle, 2) the way he touched his chest when giving it, 3) him saying “something is changing”, and, maybe most significantly, 4) the title of episode 17 of this season (“Heart of Gold”), I think that there is SOMETHING going on with Gold’s heart that is going to result in him either dying, or having to do something to stop himself from dying. It could be, like some suggested, that his heart is just getting darker and darker; that would help explain how he had the capacity for goodness to be a hero in season 3, and now is back to villainy. Or something could physically be going on with his heart, perhaps related to him being the Dark One. We don’t know how long other Dark Ones have lasted, but we do know that he has been it for at least two to three hundred years, and that recently he died, resurrected, and shared his body with another person. Being the Dark One may make him immortal, but all of that has got to be a strain, and maybe the Dark One curse wasn’t meant to last as long as he has in one body.
Other theory: We know that Gold is trying to darken Emma’s heart, but maybe something is having the opposite effect on his? He said that things are “changing”, after all. Can the Dark One curse inhabit a body with a light heart? I don’t know about this one, though, because we’ve already seen Gold with a pretty light heart, saving everyone from his father and loving his son and Belle and all.
March 30, 2015 at 8:54 pm #300392nevermoreParticipantRumple has always played things close to the vest, but in season one they gave us clues and then Desperate Souls. We knew pretty early his motivations. It helped us fall in love with his story and struggle. But now, we get a breadcrumb and that’s it. Are they trying to get him to be the ultimate villain, kill our love of the character, so we will cheer his demise and think it’s great for the show? What they don’t realize is that it’s Bobby’s acting itself that made many of us love the show. The writing is cheesy, the plot is farcical and yet Bobby is such a great actor that we cared about this outlandish imp. His story is intertwined into the fabric of Once so completely, much like Bae, that his absence will be glaring. The thing is, if they’d have stayed with their original story of him dying as a sacrifice to save everyone like in 3a, more people would have bought it. It was an organic outcome of him going from a point of seeing his grandson as his downfall to help saving him and in turn saving the town. But then when did anything the writers decide make sense. They had a beautiful story in Rumbelle and 1) never gave them any screen time 2) tortured Belle in some way or fashion every step of the way and 3) completely decimated it. I also wonder if that was an order from highers up….a much older man and younger woman might not have tested well in “focus groups” when presented outside the context of the show. Who knows. And now I’ll shut up from rambling.
This.
Just a thought, but we have the whole fungal/cancerous metaphor of evil going on at the moment: that line by Hook when he tells Emma that “darkness has a way of growing inside you” (or something to that effect, am I remembering this right?) as well as the entire thing with retconning Snow’s heart smudge to be something that has progressively grown to finally become quite noticeable by the time she tricks Cora…
My assumption is that the DO’s darkness eventually completely consumes its “host” and whatever goodness was left there. From that perspective, maybe Rumple trying to separate himself from the dagger could make sense (beyond the idea that he wants ultimate power, which felt absolutely absurd character-development wise) if that also means that it would stop the growth, as it were. Not sure what would happen once he’s totally “gone,” if that’s indeed what the end result is. I mean, in some senses, if it’s a kind of zombified total evilness, where the personality/self is dissolved or lost, then it’s a fate worse than death, and no wonder Rumple’s trying his damnest (poor dear, quite literally) to get his story re-written.
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