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Emma found out that Hook killed Robert, but not by Hook telling her. Was it right for Hook to burn those memories? Do you think Emma should be more upset over the murder or keeping secret? How can Hook make amends? Should anyone tell David?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Was it right for Hook to burn those memories?
No of course not, but that is what he was planning on doing from the very start. He can sit there and tell Archie and Nemo that he wants to do the right thing, but in the end he didn’t.
Do you think Emma should be more upset over the murder or keeping secret?
UM, the MURDER of her grandfather! This part of the episode really got under my skin. You have Hook who is going around not wanting to deal with the consequences of his actions (which is classic unchanged Hook) and you have Emma only caring about how this effects HER (which has been Emma for the last couple of seasons) She just assumes that David and Snow are going to automatically forgive him? Guess what Emma, David has feelings too and would have every right to never like Hook again.
How can Hook make amends?
Well, Hook could start being honest. He should go over to David explain what happened and ask for forgiveness. Then he should ask for forgiveness from Emma for keeping such a secret from her and trying to destroy the evidence of it. He can then work incredibly hard for a very long time to try and regain trust and respect from both David and Emma. This is not what is going to happen, but should
Should anyone tell David?
Yes, he has a right to know who killed his father and would want to know. He has the right to decide to forgive or not forgive Hook for doing this. When we don’t tell David, we may take away that pain but we also take away his decisions to forgive
*sigh*
The writers had a chance to really help some of their audience like Hook by having him confess. But he didn’t. He tried, once again, to cover up his crimes and run from them. Sure, he came back (erm, tried) in the end, but that doesn’t excuse him getting advice (2x!) from someone and not listening to it. Advice, frankly, he didn’t need because of course you should tell Emma!
As far as Emma, I cannot even with her this week.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Was it right for Hook to burn those memories?
No! I understand being worried about her reaction, I understand needing a moment to collect oneself and build up the courage. But he was going to take the cowards way out! I swear this could have been a great “Look, Hook has really changed moment” and once again…ugh *rolls eyes entirely out of skull*
o you think Emma should be more upset over the murder or keeping secret?
I think David should be upset about the murder AND the fact that Hook didn’t tell him as soon as he knew. Emma should be upset about the secret. This is because Emma is already aware that Hook has a dark past, that he has done terrible things including murder. While killing her grandfather is bad, Emma probably wouldn’t have a giant emotional reaction given that she has never known him. The worst part for her is that Hook refused to tell her the truth despite everything they have been through at this stage.
How can Hook make amends?
He had the opportunity and he blew it v_v
Should anyone tell David?
YES!!! He should have been the first person Hook tells.
He tried, once again, to cover up his crimes and run from them.
THIS!!!!!
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Hook murdered him and the episode was not about David’s pain and Emma didn’t even care that Hook murdered her father’s dad. She didn’t care. It was all about Hook hiding it and Hook not trusting that Emma would still believe in him. How it wasn’t about how Snow and Charming felt, but about how Hook felt about having to sit across from them knowing what he did. It was about how upset he was about his past and not about how David might feel. David didn’t even care about Hook a week ago. I think it is a big leap to suggest he would just forgive this as if it was nothing. He was talking revenge, killing George, just yesterday.
It was just really terribly written. It made Emma seem dumb and crazy again. It did nothing to make Hook look any better. He still acted the exact same way as always, lying, hiding things, drinking, and only worry about how a situation effected him and not about how it effects anyone else. Hook only cares about himself and no one else. He isn’t even capable of thinking about other people’s feelings and reactions except worrying about how it effects him.
Am I forgetting things? Before this scene, Hook was the only person who knew that David’s father died by sword rather than by drunken accident, and Emma never knew what her grandfather looked like. She immediately assumed the worst possible interpretation of what she saw in the dreamcatcher. Her guess turned out to be true, but it wasn’t based on adequate evidence. If Emma is willing to leap to that kind of conclusion about Hook in the absence of evidence, then regardless of whether he’s ready to marry her, she’s not ready to marry him.
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Am I forgetting things? Before this scene, Hook was the only person who knew that David’s father died by sword rather than by drunken accident, and Emma never knew what her grandfather looked lik
No, you’re not. That made zero sense to me either.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s alright, second proposal will be better, and he won’t be drunk this time.
That’s what I’m hoping for as well. Emma is going to think that Hook left her. She is going to be devastated. And then Hook is going to come back and save the day somehow (Gideon seems to think that’s a possibility), and save her life and then propose properly and tell Charming himself after he breaks the Snowing curse. The only reason for the writers to squander this moment for him to come clean himself and own up to it is because they are planning a much bigger moment for Hook. Emma saved him in the UW and now he’s going to save the Savior. That’s my prediction and the reason why Hook hasn’t had his “moment” yet. It’s coming…
It’s alright, second proposal will be better, and he won’t be drunk this time.
That’s what I’m hoping for as well. Emma is going to think that Hook left her. She is going to be devastated. And then Hook is going to come back and save the day somehow (Gideon seems to think that’s a possibility), and save her life and then propose properly and tell Charming himself after he breaks the Snowing curse. The only reason for the writers to squander this moment for him to come clean himself and own up to it is because they are planning a much bigger moment for Hook. Emma saved him in the UW and now he’s going to save the Savior. That’s my prediction and the reason why Hook hasn’t had his “moment” yet. It’s coming…
This bothers me for a lot of reasons so I’ll just bullet point them
1) They need to stop lying to each other. It’s what Emma said this week. The idea that Hook can show up like a pirate out of a Harlequin romance novel and “save the day” and be forgiven is absurd. There’s a deep wound here, not only because of the lies to Emma but also to Charming. This can’t resolve with some sort of act, it’s needs to be a conversation. And what does it say about Emma that she’s willing to forgive just about anything simply because the guy came back with the show’s equivalent of flowers and candy? What happens the next time one of them lies to the other? Just do another good deed? It’s a cycle. And not a healthy one.
2) Hook breaking the Snowing curse would have as much emotional weight as one of Robin’s feathers. He might be friendly with the couple nowadays but it’s nowhere near as potent as having Emma break it, or even Regina break it. It’s a much more powerful statement if their daughter breaks the curse or their greatest enemy who’s darker half was responsible for this. It gives Hook a moment of glory and robs the story, IMO.
3) Emma didn’t save Hook in the UW. She literally left him. Hook had be deus ex machina’d by Zeus, remember?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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