The Truth (Sort Of) Comes Out

[AKA]

This bothers me for a lot of reasons so I’ll just bullet point them 1) They need to stop lying to each other. It’s what Emma said this week. The idea that Hook can show up like a pirate out of a Harlequin romance novel and “save the day” and be forgiven is absurd. There’s a deep wound here, not only because of the lies to Emma but also to Charming. This can’t resolve with some sort of act, it’s needs to be a conversation. And what does it say about Emma that she’s willing to forgive just about anything simply because the guy came back with the show’s equivalent of flowers and candy? What happens the next time one of them lies to the other? Just do another good deed? It’s a cycle. And not a healthy one. 2) Hook breaking the Snowing curse would have as much emotional weight as one of Robin’s feathers. He might be friendly with the couple nowadays but it’s nowhere near as potent as having Emma break it, or even Regina break it. It’s a much more powerful statement if their daughter breaks the curse or their greatest enemy who’s darker half was responsible for this. It gives Hook a moment of glory and robs the story, IMO. 3) Emma didn’t save Hook in the UW. She literally left him. Hook had be deus ex machina’d by Zeus, remember?

AMEN!!

Also this would go back to all the criticism non Hook fans have about him.  He gets a free pass.  Rumple and Regina have to work for their redemption but yet again Hook will just show up do one good thing and is forgiven.  So if this does happen and we all criticize it, I don’t want to hear Hook fans say that he has worked just as hard and dealt with just as much consequences as Regina or Rumple  because he hasn’t.

[RumplesGirl]

This can’t resolve with some sort of act, it’s needs to be a conversation. And what does it say about Emma that she’s willing to forgive just about anything simply because the guy came back with the show’s equivalent of flowers and candy? What happens the next time one of them lies to the other? Just do another good deed? It’s a cycle. And not a healthy one.

And just to head something off at the pass–I have said the same thing about Rumbelle a ship I really used to adore, so this isn’t just coming from an anti-CS POV. He does something bad or lies about it, she gets angry, they separate, he does a good thing, she takes him back. The writers keep writing these abusive cycles and it’s *really* disconcerting.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thedarkonedearie]

3) Emma didn’t save Hook in the UW. She literally left him. Hook had be deus ex machina’d by Zeus, remember?

Haha true.  Well, she tried to save him haha.

1) They need to stop lying to each other. It’s what Emma said this week. The idea that Hook can show up like a pirate out of a Harlequin romance novel and “save the day” and be forgiven is absurd. There’s a deep wound here, not only because of the lies to Emma but also to Charming. This can’t resolve with some sort of act, it’s needs to be a conversation. And what does it say about Emma that she’s willing to forgive just about anything simply because the guy came back with the show’s equivalent of flowers and candy? What happens the next time one of them lies to the other? Just do another good deed? It’s a cycle. And not a healthy one.

Ok but technically he didn’t lie to Emma.  I know I’m grasping at straws a bit but technically he didn’t lie.  He withheld information bc he was too afraid to tell her…and I get why he was.  Bu he still needed to tell her.  It was a mistake on his part.  But if Hook returns and apologizes for not telling everyone sooner and then subsequently saves Emma from Gideon and then somehow figures out a way to break the curse, that would be something and I disagree that it would rob the story.  I’m not saying he needs to be the one to break the curse…I mean if he figures out the way to break it.  We can still have Emma or Henry perform a kiss or whatever you want, but maybe they’ll have Hook figure it out.  I’m not sure how that robs anything.

And I agree that there needs to be a conversation with Hook and Charming.  But I mean if Charming is sleeping, and it appears he was for the entirety of the episode with Snow being the one awake, then Hook can’t really tell Charming can he?  Sure he missed his chance right after he found out…but we also haven’t seen David since that episode right?  It’s not like Charming and Hook have hung out and Hook decided against telling him.  I think it can be assumed Charming has been asleep since murder most foul.  So if Hook comes back, and helps break the curse to wake up Charming, Snow is the one who is awake at the moment, then that will give Hook the opportunity to fully come clean, apologize to David once the curse is lifted, ask for forgiveness, and then potentially help save Emma from Gideon as well.  I think all of THAT would be enough to give Hook his moment and allow Emma to take him back.  I don’t think it would be fair to compare all of that to flowers and candy.

And to be clear, I’m not saying this is what is going to happen.  But to me, the CS proposal kinda sucked and then how Emma found out about Charming’s dad kinda sucked.  And now Emma gave the ring back, and Killian has been sent away and Charming still doesn’t know and Emma can’t tell him bc he’s asleep, and Killian can’t tell him bc he’s underwater.  To me, this is setting Hook up for his big moment by re-proposing the right way and owning up to everything in the way he should have originally.  And it wouldn’t shock me if something happened on this adventure with Jasmine, Aladdin, Ariel and company that really gets through to Hook.  But I guess we shall see.

2) Hook breaking the Snowing curse would have as much emotional weight as one of Robin’s feathers. He might be friendly with the couple nowadays but it’s nowhere near as potent as having Emma break it, or even Regina break it. It’s a much more powerful statement if their daughter breaks the curse or their greatest enemy who’s darker half was responsible for this. It gives Hook a moment of glory and robs the story, IMO.

And again, I don’t think he’s going to break it.  But perhaps he figures out how to break it and someone else actually does it.  And with the random scene Hook had with Snow this week (which I enjoyed), and the whole episode Hook had with Charming and getting his blessing, it seems they are trying to quickly develop Hook’s relationship with Emma’s parents……it just seems like they are setting up something.  But I’ve been wrong before.

[AKA]

Ok but technically he didn’t lie to Emma.  I know I’m grasping at straws a bit but technically he didn’t lie.  He withheld information bc he was too afraid to tell her…and I get why he was.

Sure and Rumple didn’t lie to Belle when he was trying to cleave himself from the dagger, he just withheld information and Regina didn’t lie to Henry when she didn’t tell him she was an Evil Queen from fairy tale land she just withheld information.   I am making this point again to point out that Hook will  not have to deal with any of the long term consequences of his actions for more than an episode or two and that drives me nuts. Regina took over 3 seasons to be redeemed and earn the trust and respect of everyone back and Rumple isn’t even close.

[RumplesGirl]

I think my biggest issue is possibly with Charming and Hook. Charming needs to learn the whole story–not just that Hook killed Robert. Charming needs to learn that Robert was on his way home, wanting to be a better man for his son, that he begged for his life for the sake of his son, and still Hook killed Robert. This is a formative moment in Charming’s young life, something that really affected him. It baffles me that Charming could ever truly accept Hook after learning the whole story.

And to be fair, it baffles me that this family could ever have dinner together after all the staby-staby

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thedarkonedearie]

I think my biggest issue is possibly with Charming and Hook. Charming needs to learn the whole story–not just that Hook killed Robert. Charming needs to learn that Robert was on his way home, wanting to be a better man for his son, that he begged for his life for the sake of his son, and still Hook killed Robert. This is a formative moment in Charming’s young life, something that really affected him. It baffles me that Charming could ever truly accept Hook after learning the whole story. And to be fair, it baffles me that this family could ever have dinner together after all the staby-staby

Well the show preaches redemption and forgiveness so if we can forgive Regina and a bazillion other people, and Snowing can preach about forgiveness and hope all the time, and Charming sincerely meant that Killian was a different man, forgave him for his past actions, and that he sincerely gave him his blessing bc of that, he needs to forgive him for killing his father.  I get it’s more personal bc it directly affects him now, but how hypocritical will it look if he doesn’t forgive him?  Sure, it’s easy to forgive somebody when he murdered other people in the past (at least on this show), but now when it directly affects you…what’s he going to do?

But I do hope that Hook tells him everything he knows.  He needs to tell him that King George did in fact order Robert to be killed by his men.  That those men did take him out to the woods to finish him off.  That Hook temporarily saved him and killed King George’s men, and then stole their valuables and killed his father, not knowing who he was.  Charming deserves to hear all of that.  I too am worried we won’t see it.  Didn’t Charming find out that his father became a better person and wanted to come home though?  I thought he found that part out.  As of now, Charming thinks he has closure with all of this.  The only wrinkle was right at the end with Hook doing the murder.

[RumplesGirl]

he sincerely gave him his blessing bc of that, he needs to forgive him for killing his father.

Sure. But normal people aren’t going to forgive you for that over the course of one day. Look at how long it took Regina with others. I don’t want Hook to confess and get forgiven in the span of one episode or even two.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[hjbau]

This family should not hang out. Neither Regina or Hook should be part of the group just like Rumpel isn’t.

[TheWatcher]

I’ve got pizza and wings, so excuse my rambling, its  a slow night for me and a much needed day off is coming so I might get a little repetitive:

but technically he didn’t lie. He withheld information bc he was too afraid to tell her

Naaaahhhhh. Hook was planning on extracting and destroying his memories, thus preventing him from ever coming clean and telling her the truth. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that called a “Lie by omission” or something? He was preparing to never reveal it to her at all had she not walked in.

His reasons for not wanting to do it are understandable. Him being about to not do it is not.

It was a mistake on his part

A mistake is something you do accidently. Hook made a choice and was only stopped by being caught in the act.

But to me, the CS proposal kinda sucked and then how Emma found out about Charming’s dad kinda sucked.

But I don’t think this should be about the way the proposal went down. What does it matter? Its about what is happening between Hook and Emma right now as they are planning to move their relationship to the next level. What good is a proposal when you find out the person you are trying to marry is keeping big secrets from you. That’s not a good way to start a life together. I’m no CS fan but even if it was, screw the proposal, it could have been the most extravagant magical man on one knee proposal ever, once Hook made that choice all that goes out the window. This shouldn’t be a way to lead them to doing a better proposal.

To me, this is setting Hook up for his big moment by re-proposing the right way and owning up to everything in the way he should have originally.

And that’s an issue for me.  I feel like all this is nothing but a big runaround, a setup for a big moment for Hook. Which I don’t have a problem with but I feel a much better option would have been for him to tell the truth in the first place!!!  THAT would have shown he was a changed man, a noble man, a brave man who was confronting the past and laying himself out bare for Emma knowing that she may leave him and then having her accept his proposal or whatever. This was a yuge missed opportunity.

I get it’s more personal bc it directly affects him now, but how hypocritical will it look if he doesn’t forgive him?

But….okay, don’t throw tomoatoes at me here but….

Does Hook deserve it? Once again….Hook made a choice. One that was only stopped by Emma walking in on him in the act.

Had Hook had it his way, no one was ever going to find out. In the words of a great sorcerer, its not a persons actions that define them, but their choices.

so the short version of all this: I’m mad that Hook chose to hide his secret, I’m mad that this feels like a setup to inevitably sweep it all under the rug, I’m mad that he (and the show?) are placing Emma’s feelings about this above Charmings, I’m mad that people are making this about the CS proposal and not about the state of their relationship in general, I’m mad that we all just know this going to end with Hook doing something good to make up for what he did, I’m mad that A&E once again had an opportunity to show Hook as a good guy and didn’t, but will expect us to see him as such anyway.

And to be fair, it baffles me that this family could ever have dinner together after all the staby-staby

Knowing this family, every thanksgiving dinner is going to end with a new random villain popping in, cursing everyone, and then by Christmas they find out the villain is actually someones old flame/sibling/parent/long lost relative who was abandoned. Every family get together.

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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[TheWatcher]

I just really wish this was being told from a Charming/Hook perspective with Emma being one of the stakes. Would feel so much better for some reason

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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