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The Underworld and Hades

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Five › 5×12 “Souls of the Departed” › The Underworld and Hades

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  • March 6, 2016 at 9:08 pm #318099
    RumplesGirl
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    Welcome to the Underworld! What did you make of this new land? Why does it look like Storybrooke? I thought it was interesting that it had five rivers, like classic Greek Hades. The five rivers in that mythology all represent something: The five rivers of the realm of Hades, and their symbolic meanings, are Acheron (the river of sorrow, or woe), Cocytus (lamentation), Phlegethon (fire), Lethe (oblivion), and Styx (hate), the river upon which even the gods swore and in which Achilles was dipped to render him invincible.

    Also, what did you think of Hades’s first appearance? How much power does he have? How long has he ruled? And can you actually kill the “god” of Hell?

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    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 6, 2016 at 9:43 pm #318120
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Still not sure what myth books A and E are reading. I’m not overly fond of the idea of calling it the Underworld and using certain classic Underworld imagery (five rivers) but it not really being the Underworld at all. It’s more a Limbo. The writers want to have their cake and eat it too–they want to play with Hades as a villain and thus they need the Underworld but they don’t want to go so far as to say Hell or make it anything other than a Limbo/Purgatory. Eh. It bugs.

    As we go on, I’d like to see more punishments that fit the crime/are personal, like with Cora. That’s a pretty meaty idea. The Blind Witch is cooked and eaten, for instance, only to come back each day. That could be kind of fun–do unto the villains what they did to others.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 6, 2016 at 11:05 pm #318167
    MatthewPaul
    Moderator

    Still not sure what myth books A and E are reading. I’m not overly fond of the idea of calling it the Underworld and using certain classic Underworld imagery (five rivers) but it not really being the Underworld at all. It’s more a Limbo. The writers want to have their cake and eat it too–they want to play with Hades as a villain and thus they need the Underworld but they don’t want to go so far as to say Hell or make it anything other than a Limbo/Purgatory. Eh. It bugs.

    Another obvious reason they went this route is to explain why certain characters that they can’t have return in a larger capacity or at all aren’t there. So no Neal, Graham, Ingrid, etc.

    March 7, 2016 at 12:06 am #318182
    darkones1fan
    Participant

    Hades is ok…But compared to the greatness that is James Woods it’s hard to make a fair comparison.

    March 7, 2016 at 12:07 am #318183
    darkones1fan
    Participant

    But yeah…its good. (I had trouble with the posting)

    March 7, 2016 at 1:33 am #318194
    Bar Farer
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    Still not sure what myth books A and E are reading. I’m not overly fond of the idea of calling it the Underworld and using certain classic Underworld imagery (five rivers) but it not really being the Underworld at all. It’s more a Limbo. The writers want to have their cake and eat it too–they want to play with Hades as a villain and thus they need the Underworld but they don’t want to go so far as to say Hell or make it anything other than a Limbo/Purgatory. Eh. It bugs. As we go on, I’d like to see more punishments that fit the crime/are personal, like with Cora. That’s a pretty meaty idea. The Blind Witch is cooked and eaten, for instance, only to come back each day. That could be kind of fun–do unto the villains what they did to others.

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    They probably just read some synopsis on wikipedia like they did with Arthurian Legends. From what I understood from the episode, there’s the “Underworld” or whatever, Hell is the fire and Heaven is the door.

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    March 7, 2016 at 2:22 am #318200
    TheWatcher
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    I am a tad bit underwhelmed, to be honest. I loved Hades, despite he only appeared for a little bit. But he was still interesting and I cant wait to see more. He’s a plus. The UW being SB I thought I would warm up to, but I didn’t. Plus the reddish tint irks me. I thank you for explaining the five rivers because I was very confused about that (I figured they were, like, rivers of souls that brought in the dead from different lands) so yea. Any guesses who that woman was that clipping/painting Hades’ toenails? I am guessing she might be Persephone?

    do unto the villains what they did to others.

    If the UW is supposed to truly be like SB, then I am guessing they function the same so instead of there being a real punishment, I think the purpose is a denial of a happy ending, just like SB. Cora spent her days trying to be more than the millers daughter at all costs. That was what she wanted as her happy ending. Now she is forced to be a miller for the rest of eternity. For the blind witch, i’d say she’d be forced to be surrounded by delicious looking and smelling plump little tots day in and day out, and unable to eat any of them. The reason I think this is the way it’d go is because I think the purpose of the underworld is still that people can find their unfinished business and move on. Somehow. If they are being punished physically all day, that probably can’t happen.

     

     

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    March 7, 2016 at 7:09 am #318210
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    I am guessing she might be Persephone?

    I was wondering the same thing. Because otherwise, totally random.

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    March 7, 2016 at 9:06 am #318224
    Phee
    Participant

    I enjoyed Hades. Until they insisted on setting his hair on fire. The CGI actually seemed a tad improved through the whole ep, I thought, but then THAT’S the CGI note they ended on.

    Anyway, hair that hurts my eyes notwithstanding, I think Greg Germann will be quite enjoyable to watch in this role. After just one scene, I can buy that he’s the arrogant guy who runs this place.

    March 7, 2016 at 12:32 pm #318242
    Jiminy’s Journal
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    You know why they set his hair on fire? So you know who he is.

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