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Recasting Robin Hood was down to a scheduling conflict. Tom couldn’t commit for the time they needed him to commit so the part was recast. That’s a little different than saying to someone “You’ve got the job” then a few weeks later turning around and saying “Actually we’ve changed our minds because you’re not latina”. That’s discrimination so their hands were tied.
Hmm….So the argument is reverse discrimination of a non-Latina actress for a role originally prized by a Latina actress? I mean, maybe, but, the casting department could’ve just chalked it up to miscommunication between the casting department and writers’ room. For example, Baby Alex should’ve been a girl instead of a boy since the original story was about baby Alexandra, not Alexander. Would it have been “gender discrimination” if the casting department had called up the baby boy actor’s parents and said, “Actually we made a mistake. We need to go with a girl baby instead?” Granted, the infant who played baby Alex could’ve just been dressed as a girl instead of a boy, solving that issue, but if the actor had been older, changing the decision to go with a girl instead of a boy wouldn’t have been gender discrimination IMO. It would’ve been rectifying an error on the part of someone in the casting department.
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True, but then they needed someone who looked like they could be related to Maleficent and Agnes does look like she could be related. Perhaps it’s a kind of retroactive “problem”, for lack of a better word, when young Lily was cast the casting department weren’t told about the Mal connection so anybody could be young Lily. With adult Lily, they needed her to look related to Mal?
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Keeper of FelixTrue, but then they needed someone who looked like they could be related to Maleficent and Agnes does look like she could be related. Perhaps it’s a kind of retroactive “problem”, for lack of a better word, when young Lily was cast the casting department weren’t told about the Mal connection so anybody could be young Lily. With adult Lily, they needed her to look related to Mal?
Maybe. But I’ll just point out that we don’t know who Lily’s dad is. If he were a Latino, then Young Lily being a Latina suddenly makes a lot of sense. Barbara Hershey and Lana Parrilla look nothing alike, but they played mother and daughter on the show. Regina’s dad, Prince Henry, being played by Latino actors (both young and old I might add) really helped to explain the ethnic heritage of Regina. So, I could’ve seen Adult Lily being played by a Latina, in keeping with her younger self, especially if Lily’s dad ended up being played by a Latio (which, he easily could’ve been cast as, seeing how we’ve yet to discover who Lily’s father is).
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My point is that the general gist is that Latina Lily was replaced by white Lily thus the show has no POC.
That’s not the general gist at all. People are upset that Lily grew into a white woman. No one has ever said that the show has no POC. Obviously they do. It’s how they TREAT THEM that’s the problem.
I posed this question the other day but is it possible that when the casting department cast Agnes, the description they were given was for Mal’s long lost daughter rather than Lily so they looked for someone who looked like Mal’s actress. Then when they realise it was supposed to be the same person, they did there best to make Agnes look like young Lily?
This bothers me because you’re making a lot of conjectures with no evidence. A baby that has never spoken, only been seen once or twice, and has absoltuely no role to play is a totally different situation than the Anti Savior, best friend of the Savior, daughter of the main guest villain, someone who has spoken, hand an entire centric with the main character, and was teased to the hilt that she would be returning. You keep trying to pass the buck, as it were, but there was no break down in communication. A and E knew exactly who Lily was when they case the younger version. They knew she was Mal’s daughter and the Anti Savior. They wanted someone who looked like Lana Parillia in order to drive home the Emma/Regina and Emma/Lily parallels in that particular episode. A and E TOLD the casting department to get someone who resembled Regina in order for that episodes thesis of relationships to make sense. In other words, the casting department went into casting adult Lily knowing that they had cast someone with Latina heritage for her younger self. In order to compensate, they had to change Agnes Brukner’s look to make it “work.”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A and E TOLD the casting department to get someone who resembled Regina in order for that episodes thesis of relationships to make sense. In other words, the casting department went into casting adult Lily knowing that they had cast someone with Latina heritage. In order to compensate, they had to change Agnes Brukner’s look to make it “work.”
Sorry to butt in, but isn’t this an assumption in itself? Did Adam and Eddy ever specifically say this? I get why you would come to that conclusion, but unless there’s actual evidence from the two directly, it’s still speculation.
A and E TOLD the casting department to get someone who resembled Regina in order for that episodes thesis of relationships to make sense. In other words, the casting department went into casting adult Lily knowing that they had cast someone with Latina heritage. In order to compensate, they had to change Agnes Brukner’s look to make it “work.”
Sorry to butt in, but isn’t this an assumption in itself? Did Adam and Eddy ever specifically say this? I get why you would come to that conclusion, but unless there’s actual evidence from the two directly, it’s still speculation.
did they ever say it? No. Was it all over the entire episode? Yes. So I’ll retract and state again,
It was incredibly obvious that in the episode 405, Lily was meant to parallel Regina right down to her looks. They wanted to drive home the idea that Emma and Lily were Emma and Regina but with a different outcome. It was not subtle. Hence all the Lily is Robin and Regina’s daughter crack theories that came up.
Now, this doesn’t actually matter. The casting department still cast someone who has Latina heritage and has a certain look and then dismantled it when they cast the adult version. A and E did know who Lily was, they knew how they intended to use her. Trying to say that it was a break down in communication is simply letting everyone off the hook.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Now, this doesn’t actually matter. The casting department still cast someone who has Latina heritage and has a certain look and then dismantled it when they cast the adult version. A and E did know who Lily was, they knew how they intended to use her. Trying to say that it was a break down in communication is simply letting everyone off the hook.
I’m inclined to agree, but we’re never going to know for certain. If it was an “oversight” then that is in and of itself problematic, because the casting department usually gets it right. But I tend to think the writers informed the casting department months in advance that Lily would be an important returning guest-star. Even by just comparing the two casting calls for young and adult Lily, many of us, the online audience, were able to tell “Autumn” would be Adult Lily.
Her casting call for her younger actress describes her as, “a bright, self-reliant teen who boasts a charming, take-no-prisoners punk exterior and the heart of a secretive, insecure opportunist.”
The casting call for her older actress describes her as a charismatic and fiercely independent woman who “easily wraps others into her schemes”, with a “penchant for troublemaking”, although she just “wants to be loved”
According to TV Line:
Also of note: the casting call for “Autumn” specifies brunette hair, hence my going with an older photo of the recently blonde Bruckner — if that is who she’s playing.
The casting call itself specified brunette hair, and yet, the casting department cast a blonde who had to dye her hair. These are just some hints that the casting department knew in advance who Lily would be, but that they chose a blonde, despite the specifications of the casting call for “Autumn.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Now, this doesn’t actually matter. The casting department still cast someone who has Latina heritage and has a certain look and then dismantled it when they cast the adult version. A and E did know who Lily was, they knew how they intended to use her. Trying to say that it was a break down in communication is simply letting everyone off the hook.
I’m inclined to agree, but we’re never going to know for certain. If it was an “oversight” then that is in and of itself problematic, because the casting department usually gets it right. But I tend to think the writers informed the casting department months in advance that Lily would be an important returning guest-star.
I agree. But I think there was a breakdown in communication here.
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