Theory #1,532: Bae is OZ

[jondavidcarroll]

(If this is already in a thread, let me know.)

Ok, let’s say Bae is the OZ. He uses the bean and goes through the green tornado. (Yes, Rumpel calls it a tornado). Bae ends up in Kansas (where’s there’s no magic). Bae finds a guy who looks like him, August, and tells August about the sword and has August come to SB to pretend to be him (Bae). Sends him on a motorcycle (idk why) with a Kansas license plate to find the sword so that Bae can control his papa. August has to be some other character (sure, call him Pinocchio if you want) and maybe he agreed to do this because if he gets Emma to believe, then there will be magic in SB. And if there’s magic, August can be healed. And if there’s magic, Bae can control his papa.

Then August’s leg is going crazy so he picks up his greeeeen telephone and calls Bae and says the need to speed up with the plan. So then August gets Henry to meet up with him (because Henry is the only one who would believe him) so he can distract Rumpel and August can get the sword.

Hmm… this is the only way I would be okay with him being Pinocchio. The synopsis for next episode makes us believe that Gapetto sneaks his son into the real world, where Emma was sent. So maybe he was, and that's August, and Bae finds him to do this?

[midnight dreary]

I really like this theory! I am desperate for anything Oz-related to be introduced into the show. The green vortex just looked to Ozian for me to ignore. 😆 I hope this theory is true. It would also be pretty poetic too. Rumpel was a wizard, and now his son (who originally hated magic) is now a wizard. Actually, that’s kind of sad. 🙁

[hjbau]

Everyone keeps talking about the phone. Isn’t the phone just Granny’s phone from one of her rooms? August is staying at the Inn.

[jondavidcarroll]

@hjbau wrote:

Everyone keeps talking about the phone. Isn’t the phone just Granny’s phone from one of her rooms? August is staying at the Inn.

I mean yeah… It just fit in with my theory cause I really think/hope he was talking to Bae. But it could’ve just been Henry, although that’s kinda lame. When he dialed the number, do you think it was really only 3 numbers or do you think they just cut it short cause he was going to slow? 😕

[eastofthesun]

I LOVE all the theories about Bae…this one is pretty exciting too…because if he is a wizard…there could be a very angsty filled EPIC battle of power between Rumpel and his son…it would be sad but awesome if Bae got corrupted by power just like his father did…but since Bae is not a coward, he could have gone REALLY DARK over the years!!…a very dark wizard would be cool! And the show needs a new villan for season 2!!

If this theory becomes true I would LOVE for Bae/wizard to be played by Julian McMahon, I just keep picturing him…He could be an older version of Bae lookwise at least for me, and Julian’s acting is VERY good plus he looks pretty badass/smart/mysterious =) which i think the wizard of Oz should be

[hjbau]

I think that it was just a short edit of the show and not that August only dialed three numbers.

[jondavidcarroll]

it would be sad but awesome if Bae got corrupted by power just like his father did…

But the OZ doesn’t really have powers. So he could’ve lied and pretended to, to get August to go to SB…?

[jondavidcarroll]

AUGUST WOULD BE TIN MAN! That would explain the whole leg thing!! And he goes to the wizard (BAE) and ask for his heart (or oil can–WHICH is on the shelf in Gold’s office) and Bae says (pretending to be big and powerful) I will grant you your wish after you fetch me the sword from Rumpel–instead of broomstick from the wicked witch of the west. C’mooon? Riiiight?

[midnight dreary]

@jondavidcarroll wrote:

AUGUST WOULD BE TIN MAN! That would explain the whole leg thing!! And he goes to the wizard (BAE) and ask for his heart (or oil can–WHICH is on the shelf in Gold’s office) and Bae says (pretending to be big and powerful) I will grant you your wish after you fetch me the sword from Rumpel–instead of broomstick from the wicked witch of the west. C’mooon? Riiiight?

I LOVE IT!!! I actually posted a similar theory somewhere on the forums. I think it would be an amazing twist if August and Baelfire were actually working together via Oz. God, I hope the writers do this. THEY NEED TO DO THIS!!!

[possum snoodle]

@jondavidcarroll wrote:

(If this is already in a thread, let me know.)

Yes, I’ve made some Bae/Kansas/Oz comments but ideas are ideas and it’s sort of scattered around in here and far too much to try and read all of it to avoid duplications. Generally, the forum nicely organized but ideas will get repeated in different ways. So, I say, the more he merrier! It’s not like any of us own the end result answer created by the writers. All we are doing is sleuthing what the creators throw at us each week. I also think many of the wrong theories are excellent alternatives to what ends up playing out on OUAT. Let’s keep those creative juices flowing!

So, yes, I think it is possible for the Bae/Kansas/OZ concept to occur.
The vortex mist was green. The Wonderland mist was purple. However, it may not matter what color they were. If Bae goes to OZ, magic must not have been there yet – or it was already gone. Kansas might be a Land without any magic.” Personally, I think “Land Without Any Magic” is the equivalent to a kind of Hell for magic beings, as we on Earth seem to think a place of magic, “Somewhere, Over The Rainbow,” is closer to a Heaven type place. So, it stands to reason, of the two places, Kansas/this world – has the better odds of being a land without any magic. That is, if “magic” means the same as we believe it does.
So, if Bae ends up in Kansas, he could have been the one to find Baby Emma but it’s not a given. We figure Emma arrived around 1984 because she is 28. Bae could have arrived about then and he and Emma met, had a fling thus Henry. Then Bae died or vanishes into thin air during the fire of Emma’s story to Henry. If he vanished, where – and/or what Time – did he vanish to? Bae arriving in another time, sets up multiple possibilities.
Bae could have originally arrived in Kansas and spent a lifetime desperately looking for any kind of magic to reconnect him to Rumple. Such a desperate quest for a 14 year old, stranger in a strange land, could have driven him a bit mad, I’d think. With no way home or a home to call his own, he was certainly, a lost boy. To survive, Bae might have had to resort to being something of an Artful Dodger, running con games and striking clever deals but perhaps, not in such a way to cause harm to others but instead, to inspire and give them hope. On his quest to find magic to get home, and as a means to support himself, he might have become a traveling fortune teller and magician. In a land without any magic, crystal ball-gazing and smoke-and-mirror stage illusions might be about as close as it gets to magic.
How Bae would get from Kansas to OZ is still a mystery, though. Especially, if Bae eventually becomes The Wizard or the O.Z. per his full “stage name,” Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs. In the story of WofOz, he painted the initials, OZ, for his first two names, on the balloon because it seemed like a good promotional and other options were too long and one option didn’t sound flattering. So, he went with the shorter, more spectacular, OZ. When he arrived in the actual land of Oz, the people immediately proclaimed him a great Wizard of Oz. So, he ran with the con that was laid out by the circumstances. He really had no power per the story thus a portal had to open up to get him there – or so it seems.

Interestingly, two things emerge from the Wizard’s stage name.
All the first initials spell out that less flattering option, OZPINHEAD. What of the PINHEAD? Pinocchio-Head? Cross that with the meaning of BAEL and you find Bael fruit is also called the “head fruit” because of its shape and it is described as having a hard woody shell. Also, from Oscar Zoroaster, we can find ZOSO. Cross reference that with the symbol on Led Zepplin’s album and “There’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold” and I’d say, we’re off to see the Wizard on the Yellow Brick Road to Heaven. Just sayin’ 😉

The Wizard was already in Oz by time Dorothy got there. So, if Dorothy’s tornado was her portal, then, who opened her portal and what was the source of The Wizard’s portal? Was he already empowered to open one before leaving Kansas? If we are dealing with dual identities (a OUAT theme, it seems) then,
Is Glinda, The Good Witch (or one of her sisters) also The Blue Fairy, Evil Queen or Maleficent?
Is there a connection between The Wicked Witch and The Evil Queen (mirrors/crystal ball)
Are OZ and Bae also Zoso?

There are plenty of ifs and buts to resolve but about anything is possible, it seems.

BTW, the Stairway To Heaven lyrics pretty much mirror some action in OUAT and may play a role as a message sent across Time & Space through automatic writing. I won’t post all the yrics here but they can be read here: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/stairwaytoheaven.html
…and below, an excerpt from Wiki:
Jimmy Page was strumming the chords and Robert Plant had a pencil and paper. Plant later said that suddenly, “My hand was writing out the words, ‘There’s a lady is sure [sic], all that glitters is gold, and she’s buying a stairway to heaven’. I just sat there and looked at them and almost leapt out of my seat.” Plant’s own explanation of the lyrics was that it “was some cynical aside about a woman getting everything she wanted all the time without giving back any thought or consideration. The first line begins with that cynical sweep of the hand … and it softened up after that.” The lyrics of the song reflected Plant’s current reading of British antiquarian, Lewis Spence’s, Magic Arts in Celtic Britain and as one of the sources for the lyrics to the song.

Interesting, eh?

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