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@EvilQueen wrote:
Ok, my interpretation is that Rose-Red (who is just like Ruby, “outspoken and cheerful and loves to play outside”) IS the bear i.e. wolf and the girls both learn to live with it (as compared to original story where bear sleeps at their place every winter night) and control it.
As for the dwarf, it sort of comes down to Rumple but then again, I don’t really want to see him being blamed for every single villain in FTL. But there is a ‘complicated history’ between Rumple and Granny and in the story the dwarf steals all the bear’s GOLD. Although, why would Mr Gold steal it, if he can make it himself? There could be a twist to the story, maybe it’s about the red cape?Thanks 😀
Gold (the metal) I think sometimes just represents something ‘precious to the person like the child or stealing everyones love away. In that case both Rumple, Regina, the beast/wolf/bear inside you, can all be the little ungratefull dwarf.Throwing my thoughts out there âž¡
There’s something about balance being thrown of balance. Something about needing family or loved ones to help you find that balance. Because we as humans need others around us to be whole. So Snow and Red need eatchother or in this case Red needed Snow to find balance/pease with her inner wolf. Thats why Snow White in the fairytale marries the bear in the end. Red helpt Snow a bit with finding her more nature, animalistic side.
And the little dwarf is killed. I’m thinking this is something about the ungrowth, miscreature, little human who is also in a way the monsterous side of human kind but the unrealised kind and therefor the miscreature. But he is ‘part’ of the bear or the same thing as the bear- the ‘animal’ side of the girls. They are united with the good part of that side in the end and throws their worries and prejudges of it away- killing the dwarf.Most important thing here I think is- We need others too help us be whole
It’s a bit more clear to me now. But I would still love if the writers put more links to Snow White and Rose Red in to the story. Has anyone seen something else, symbols etc. ?
[adrotate group="5"]I am from Austria and we have two different stories. One name is “Schneewitchen und die 7 Zwerge” and the other one is “Schneeweischen und Rosenrot”. The first one is the Snow white with the 7 dwarfs and the apple. The second one is a complete other story. It is about two sister. Both of them are very kind and helpful. They help a little man who get catched with his beard 2 or 3 times, but he loves is beard and so he always is full of hate for the rescuers. One time they two sisters will find a bear and a raven and they take them home, because of the winter. In the end the bear and the raven are princes. they were on a curse from the the terrible little man.
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
Possible, that someone in the prop department making the book just happens to love these two fairy tales. They had to come up with text to make it look right. 😉
Wouldn’t be too surprised, if they are toying here with us, in whatever way. Doesn’t mean, the fairy tale has to have any logical, reasonable connection to the story telling of the series, the characters and their FTL background story or whatever is happening now. Not everything has profound meanings, sometimes it’s just a wink, a nod, hommage, a wordplay, an injoke or even random.
And if you get deeper into fairy tale research, meaning origins, resources, variations of and possible interpretations and meanings, you will most certainly get headaches. Just take one of the most popular tales, Snow White (Sneewittchen in the books of the Brothers Grimm, Schneewittchen in modern German, and better known in English as Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs): you can find different versions of it, other fairy tales sounding in parts similiar, nearly the same tale with other titles, mashups, renarrations, other wording or changes for different editions … In the different editions of their books the Brothers Grimm (=BG) too made changes. Like that it was the stepmother and not the mother being jealous of Snow White. In Austria, according to annotations of the BGs the story is told in a version without stepmother but two sisters hating their youngest and most beautiful sister (and all of a sudden you have a mashup with Cinderella). There are elements of other tales from BGs book in it, namely The Juniper Tree (Von dem Machandelboom) and The Glass Coffin (Der Gläserne Sarg). Johann Karl August Musäus on the other hand tells an interesting tale named Richilde, that gives a detailed background story for the stepmother of Blanca (aka Snow White), and somehow manages to get Albert Magnus into the picture, he makes the magical mirror and gives it to Richilde, the stepmother (here we go, a saint, doctor universalis, and legend has it, he discovered the philophers stone, was a magician, and had characteristic of Merlin, or would it be Rumpelstiltskin here … what a great start for more speculations). And because I am sure someone will ask, here a link to an English renarration of “Richilde”. And bet many aren’t aware even of the differences between the Disney version and the BG tale, like that it didn’t take true loves kiss but just a clumsy servant to break the curse.
Okay, back to Snow-White and Rose Red, a totally different story, that has no similiarities with Snow White and the dwarfs. If anything I can only see something along what EvilQueen wrote, a reference to Snow and Red, they becoming like sisters, facing adventures together and maybe helping some yet unknown cursed prince or so along the way. Looking at the paintings of the tale can very well see the shows characters Snow and Red in that somewhat, red hood, white hood. But that’s it. An enchanted or cursed prince as bear (beast) is a common motif in tales. And a gnome, or dwarf, being nasty is quite common too. Well, might be able to come up with some mashup going into the direction of this tale, but I wouldn’t take it literally.
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@myril wrote:
Possible, that someone in the prop department making the book just happens to love these two fairy tales. They had to come up with text to make it look right. 😉
You never know with these guys.
@myril wrote:
Cinderella) – The Juniper Tree (Von dem Machandelboom) –The Glass Coffin (Der Gläserne Sarg)- Richilde(here we go, a saint, doctor universalis, and legend has it, he discovered the philophers stone, was a magician, and had characteristic of Merlin, or would it be Rumpelstiltskin here … what a great start for more speculations)
Thanks for all of that, very interesting! Sometimes it doesn’t matter to me if the creators of the show actually thought of the same connections. They are taking these tales wich are ‘mirrors’ of all human consiousness, so they don’t own the rights to tell us what the truth is. But they make us see the old tales with new eyes and I love that. Really it’s like a painting, some painters would not tell you their own interpretation of the painting, because you see what you see and the artwork is what happens between you and the painting, not what’s on the canvas. Like that, I think This artwork, is all of our ideas, the writers and ours in one meshup. Of course it’s great fun when we do make the same connections 😀
A little correction of my former post. Of course it does matter to find the right clues and connections the way that the writers thought them.
But there are different ways of interpreting fairytale,s phsycological wise or storytelling wise. I tent to go more for the phsycological way, where I sometimes think the writers thought it differently..@myril wrote:
Possible, that someone in the prop department making the book just happens to love these two fairy tales. They had to come up with text to make it look right. 😉
This sounds like the best explanation to me. 😆
I think SNOW WHITE and Rose Red are Snow and Ruby when they are running through the woods in FTL at the beginning. They act like BF / sisters and care for each other…. of course PC is the hunk that Snow marries….
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.Most of these stories are based on folk tales… what parents and grand parents told the kids to get them to sleep or around a campfire…. over times the stories get jumble together. I do this often when I put my gdS to bed. I tell stories with the lights off till he drift off to sleep… any story I have read, any movie I have seen gets mashed up into the stories just to keep them going often enough…. Sadly I can never remember the stories correctly and end up making a mish mash of all the stories…. BUT IT GETS HIM TO SLEEP.
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.Desperation calls for drastic measures.
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.Most of these stories are based on folk tales… what parents and grand parents told the kids to get them to sleep or around a campfire…. over times the stories get jumble together. I do this often when I put my gdS to bed. I tell stories with the lights off till he drift off to sleep… any story I have read, any movie I have seen gets mashed up into the stories just to keep them going often enough…. Sadly I can never remember the stories correctly and end up making a mish mash of all the stories…. BUT IT GETS HIM TO SLEEP.
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.Desperation calls for drastic measures.
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.I agree, they get mashed up oh so often, but the point of OUaT is that they attempt to show us how this might have happened and how the stories connect in a logical way.
In quite an innovative approach, they try to make those fairy tales HAVE SENSE. If we approached all the clues they give us with “they are just all mashed up and they can’t possibly make any sense” attitude, it would be no fun! 😉
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