Three things that have been bugging me.

[Slurpeez]

@frumpybutsupersmart wrote:

2) As far as overthrowing King George, most of the population of George’s country probably supported Charming. They didn’t know he wasn’t the “rightful” heir to the throne – they’d just seen the prince not marry Midas’ daughter (who subsequently married someone else) and King George go nuts and start hunting his own son. It wouldn’t have been hard to convince the mass population to follow Charming, seeing as they all thought he was the rightful heir anyway; and he’s pleasant, good in battle, good-looking, and had a wife who was the most kind and beautiful woman in all the lands. Then, once they’d overthrown Regina, they could form a bigger, wealthier nation by the marriage of Snow and Charming.

That all makes sense. In 1×21, it looked like Regina and King George knew each other quite well when Regina offered a far worse punishment for Prince Charming was to put Snow White under the sleeping curse. As neighboring monarchs with the mutual interest of destroying Charming and Snow for good, George and Regina probably allied together in war against Snow and Charming. Being beloved by the people in both kingdoms, however, Snow and Charming could’ve rallied a massive enough army to destroy George’s and Regina’s forces, thereby winning the rights to both kingdoms on the battlefield and joining their kingdoms by their marriage. Perhaps Snow and Charming decided to move into George’s castle after their victory for its excellent view.

Also, Regina never had a rightful claim to Leopold’s throne anyway, since Snow was the legitimate queen of her father’s kingdom and Regina commissioned her husband’s murder. When a king dies, his wife does not inherit his throne, but rather, his eldest son does when he comes of age. In this case, Leopold had only one child, a daughter, so Snow became the rightful heir to the throne, not her step-mother. Also, though Prince Charming wasn’t born a royal, his marriage made him so, thereby making it a moot point whether his people knew of his true humble origins. Charming became a legitimate royal known as a prince concort by his marriage to Snow White, the rightful queen by birth. As a side note, that also means that Emma would inherit her mother’s throne, and not Charming, if Snow were to die first, since the crown passes to the eldest heir of the next generation, not the spouse.

@Phee wrote:

Because it saves him excess trauma if he doesn’t have to go there with the mission to pass on information. And yes, as you say, if Henry now fell asleep, and ran into Charming in the netherworld, he’d try to talk to him and probably get injured again. Charming didn’t consider that possibility when he went under though, because he didn’t expect to be staying under, he expected to kiss Snow and wake up. The way his plan was supposed to work, he’d only be knocked out for maybe an hour or so, just long enough to run into Snow and have a chat. I’d love it if Henry puts it together and realises he can go check on Charming by falling asleep himself, but who knows if they’ll fit that into the storyline.

I suppose that makes sense that Charming wanted to spare Henry from the excess flames when communicating with Aurora. Yet, Charming was putting all of his eggs in one basket, not thinking through all possible outcomes. He was counting on that “soul kiss” between him and Snow to wake him right back up. As I wrote in that other thread on the same issue, Charming really needs to work on his long-tem strategy. His going to the netherworld to protect Henry wasn’t an effective long-term strategy, because as soon as Henry goes to sleep, Henry is going to come looking for his grandpa. Charming’s faith sort of blinded him from considering that plan my fail, in which case, it would’ve been for naught if protecting Henry was his only aim. Charming risked leaving Henry a de-facto orphan again without any of his blood relatives, whom Henry worked so hard to free from the dark curse. Now, Henry is left with Regina, who though a loving mother, is unstable and not yet fully recovered from using magic, especially with the prospect of Cora’s return looming. While Charming was concerned for Henry’s safety, his deeper goal was to talk to his beloved wife again, because he felt the need to know for himself that she was alive and well. Charming needs to learn some stronger parenting skills and to think strategically about Henry’s welfare in the long run.

[eireland]

Ok… the whole theory of Rumpel being Henry’s Gpa… I get the theory (Bae got sent to our land and he is Neil?) but I don’t get how the timing works… wasn’t Bae sent to our land like 200 years before the curse, according to this website’s timeline (which I am guessing is based on something that I’ve missed). So… wouldn’t Bae be long dead by the time Emma came along, if he were sent here?

Or is the theory that he was sent to Neverland and that’s why he didn’t age? But then how would he get back to our world to impregnate Emma with Henry?

Sorry, this isn’t really in relation to this post, just in relation to someone’s response…

I thought the fire thing was silly too – Henry is going to have to go back into the room, and they would have been forcing him to go back into the fiery room without the necklace… right? It seemed silly to me (but wasn’t there a theory, either from the ep or from the podcast that the more you try to control the room, the more dangerous it becomes, to that means that it was only dangerous to him because he was trying to control it?)…

[Phee]

@EIreland wrote:

Ok… the whole theory of Rumpel being Henry’s Gpa… I get the theory (Bae got sent to our land and he is Neil?) but I don’t get how the timing works… wasn’t Bae sent to our land like 200 years before the curse, according to this website’s timeline (which I am guessing is based on something that I’ve missed). So… wouldn’t Bae be long dead by the time Emma came along, if he were sent here?

Or is the theory that he was sent to Neverland and that’s why he didn’t age? But then how would he get back to our world to impregnate Emma with Henry?.

In The Return, part of Mr Gold’s speech to August, when he thinks he’s Bae is:

… I just want you to know, that ever since you left, ever since you crossed the barriers of time and space, in every waking moment…

That implies that Bae jumped through time, not just between worlds. You don’t need Neverland and the Peter Pan theory in the equation to make the passage of time work, because Bae could have landed in our world at any point in time, and most believe that Rumple designed the curse to coincide with the time that Bae arrived in our world.

[eireland]

That makes total sense. I am just rewatching season 1 now to try and pick up those things… soooooo, hopefully I won’t be so confused anymore 🙂 thanks

[charming]

1) Snow is the heir to King Leopold’s kingdom. Abigail is technically MIA of whatever…Charming was suppose to get claim to Midas and George’s kingdoms. “That will bring us back to Snow.” Snow and Charming will get all three. Remember the last we saw of Abby and Freddie it looked asthough they were about to flee.

2) George needed Rumple’s help because his minions could not legally get George’s wife pregnant and an heir to the throne. She was cursed to being barren. If an heir was not found or produced the kingdom will go to another royal family. His minions can’t be trusted to doing that word would go out that there was no heir. If you remember whenever he spoke to Rumple in detail in was just between the two of them and no one else; meaning no one “really knows” what the deal is but yet they do.

3) There is a reason why he put himself under the sleeping curse. It I believe is yet to be revealed or it was used as a back up plan for the writers just in case they write themselve into a corner; they can revisit it and get a good story line going.

[eireland]

@charming wrote:

1) Snow is the heir to King Leopold’s kingdom. Abigail is technically MIA of whatever…Charming was suppose to get claim to Midas and George’s kingdoms. “That will bring us back to Snow.” Snow and Charming will get all three. Remember the last we saw of Abby and Freddie it looked asthough they were about to flee.

Charming doesn’t have claim to Midas’ kingdom, because he helped Abigail get Frederick back, so the merger was off, which is why George came after him right away (in s1 “remember what happened to Frederick) —- right? I imagine that Abigail and Frederick ended up taking over Midas’ kingdom when they were reunited (because Midas did like Frederick because Fred saved his life and that is how he got turned into gold).

[charming]

@EIreland wrote:

@charming wrote:

1) Snow is the heir to King Leopold’s kingdom. Abigail is technically MIA of whatever…Charming was suppose to get claim to Midas and George’s kingdoms. “That will bring us back to Snow.” Snow and Charming will get all three. Remember the last we saw of Abby and Freddie it looked asthough they were about to flee.

Charming doesn’t have claim to Midas’ kingdom, because he helped Abigail get Frederick back, so the merger was off, which is why George came after him right away (in s1 “remember what happened to Frederick) —- right? I imagine that Abigail and Frederick ended up taking over Midas’ kingdom when they were reunited (because Midas did like Frederick because Fred saved his life and that is how he got turned into gold).

True. The story did end abruptly from the FTL side after Kathryn was found in the alley. That to me was a loose end from last season. I was not a major story line but it would have been nice to close it out because the characters and storylines involved major characters and effected major storylines.

[Josephine]

In Regina’s case, and being an American I’m not the most up on my monarchy succession rules, the kingdom should have gone to Snow in the first place, not Regina. Doesn’t the title go to the next in line? Regina wasn’t royal, she married into it. So the next in line would be Snow. Regina did what her mother told her to do. She raised a guard to protect her and slyly took power that rightfully shouldn’t have been hers.

We still don’t know what else happened with George’s kingdom. What the circumstances were around the siege of his kindgom. Snow had a rightful claim to Regina’s, but we still don’t know much of anything about George’s kingdom.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[eireland]

I believe in the finale (or 1×21), they talk about “taking back the Kingdom” (meaning King George’s Kingdom) and that is why they are in George’s caste when Emma is born, etc.

I do believe Adam and Eddie talked about how they are definitely going to be telling us what happens to George in SB after he set up Ruby, so to me, what better way to tell that story but to contrast it with what happened to George in FTL… that time between the engagement and the wedding is the part that we don't know about yet…

[playarita]

@Marilou wrote:

I too have a feeling that George was not exactly an amazing king but in child of the moon, it didn’t take much for the people of SB to rally behind him… he could not have been that bad…

I wonder if he ever caused or instigated anything himself (subtlety) where he could “save the day” and look the hero. Or maybe he is great elocutionary skills where he can have people obey, rally behind him, buy the imitation watch he says is the real thing…

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