Three villains reformed, how’s that gonna work?

[Phee]

@Keb wrote:

Yeah, this will go well.

Oh to be a fly on the wall on that boat! Excellent summation, Keb!

[Marty McFly]

Rumple’s undoing:

I think Rumple will be “undone” by peter pan. peter pan probably doesn’t want a good “dark one” Rumple is a very good person, and very loving. he loved Mila and was excited to start a family with her, he loved his son Belfire, he loved Cora and then he fell in true love with Belle. he falls in love way too easily for a dark one. maybe zozo chose him for that reason. he could have chosen ANYONE to become the dark one. who wouldn’t want to have so much power?? He chose a good guy because he was hoping that Rumple might be able to contain its’ (the dagger’s) evilness by countering it with some of his (rumple’s) good. even as the dark one he managed to love and be a generally good person (except for the times that he let that dark power take over) and it was only those split-second decisions (like letting go of Belfire or killing Mila) that he did because the dark curse got hold of him. (the decision to let go of Belfire was regretted immediately even though it was too late to change that)
not only that but he used his dark powers to stop the Ogre Wars which were ripping children from their parents and men from their loved ones for generations! no other “dark one” ever did that!
his undoing might mean that Pan will pull all of that goodness out of him so that he will be a proper “Dark one” maybe he will undo his good which even the dagger couldn’t undo

HOOK
I think he might be working for Peter Pan. I don’t think he made truce with anyone, and the only reason he wouldn’t kill Rumple is because he knows theres no way to do that while rumple’s magical

[Marty McFly]

how do you start a new thred?

[beastwhisperer]

@KFChimera wrote:

Then again, he also has the most tenuous connection to the others as family. If everything turns on his sense of connection and attraction to Emma and longing for family, what happens if they find out Neal is alive?

Different folks will have different interpretations, but I read his motivation as being about Bae, Milah, and Hook’s own regrets. Milah and Hook wanted to form a family with Bae years ago. Hook was to be Bae’s stepfather, basically. Leaving Bae was Milah’s greatest regret, and righting that situation would have been a far greater way to honor her than Hook’s quest for vengeance. Hook started to try to do the right thing by Bae, but he gave up when it got too hard. Of course an angry teenage boy wasn’t going to just fall right into Hook’s arms. All the adults in Bae’s life played a role in events, and he was angry at them all and feeling abandoned. He was right that Hook had previously wanted to use him to get revenge on Rumple, but Hook needed to be the adult instead of acting out in return. Turning Milah’s son over to the Lost Ones was a betrayal of her memory, and she would have been outraged. On the launch Bae looked so betrayed yet again, and Hook looked quite guilty in return. He didn’t protect what was important to him, and he regretted it. Like Rumple, he’s there to honor Bae now. When they find Bae’s alive, Hook gets a chance to make things finally right with Bae. Hook has a place in the family already, and he still represents Milah’s memory and wishes for her son and grandson. Just my two cents.

[darkones1fan]

@SpinningGold wrote:

Rumpelstilskin, Regina and Hook, all reformed in the last second. Rumple and Hook even called a sort of truce…for now at least. How’s that gonna work in the new season? Will they keep it up? Can they keep it up? Will we see something way more evil take their place?

Here’s how I think it’s going to work. Regina will be more of a Anti-Hero. She will stay and the path of good but she not going to be some goody ,goody, Mess with her and she still rip your heart out. Rumple sort of the same thing unless his Dark One self becomes it’s own separate entity and starts to take over again. Hook?????? Same thing with Regina an Anti-Hero maybe he’ll turn on them a couple times but he’ll probably stay good

[kfchimera]

@BeastWhisperer wrote:

@KFChimera wrote:

Then again, he also has the most tenuous connection to the others as family. If everything turns on his sense of connection and attraction to Emma and longing for family, what happens if they find out Neal is alive?

Different folks will have different interpretations, but I read his motivation as being about Bae, Milah, and Hook’s own regrets. Milah and Hook wanted to form a family with Bae years ago. Hook was to be Bae’s stepfather, basically. Leaving Bae was Milah’s greatest regret, and righting that situation would have been a far greater way to honor her than Hook’s quest for vengeance. Hook started to try to do the right thing by Bae, but he gave up when it got too hard. Of course an angry teenage boy wasn’t going to just fall right into Hook’s arms. All the adults in Bae’s life played a role in events, and he was angry at them all and feeling abandoned. He was right that Hook had previously wanted to use him to get revenge on Rumple, but Hook needed to be the adult instead of acting out in return. Turning Milah’s son over to the Lost Ones was a betrayal of her memory, and she would have been outraged. On the launch Bae looked so betrayed yet again, and Hook looked quite guilty in return. He didn’t protect what was important to him, and he regretted it. Like Rumple, he’s there to honor Bae now. When they find Bae’s alive, Hook gets a chance to make things finally right with Bae. Hook has a place in the family already, and he still represents Milah’s memory and wishes for her son and grandson. Just my two cents.

I like that interpretation of his motivation better as there is less call to backslide, but it depends on the writers wanting to create conflict or not. I absolutely agree with you about the failure of Hook to honor Milah’s wishes. Especially the part I marked in Green. You put this so well –Hook acted out of hurt in a way that put Bae’s life in danger. Not just “not cool” but a pretty petty and rotten thing to do to any 14 year old let alone the one who could have been like a son to you. I would like to think he is trying to right that wrong rather than just feeling sorry for himself and lonely, but I do worry the writers might have some twists in store. It’s the kind of thing they did with Regina after all–you see that vulnerability, that search for love, then they’ll do something (as A&E put it) really stupid to try to get it. It really is parallel to Regina blaming a 12 year old Snow for not keeping a secret.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[tombo671]

@Swanning-Off wrote:

Peter Pan, based on that reveal, seems to be the Big Bad to end all Big Bads, so I’m OK with reformation for the Evil Queen, Captain Hook and the Dark One.

For fancrushing purposes, I want Hook to remain good just because. In terms of plots I’m sick to death of seeing, I hope Regina remains on the relatively good path – I think she’ll always be a bit twisted and snarly, because she’s so deranged and paranoid she simply cannot see the world properly. Rumplestiltskin…. will be interesting. He has the most to lose and the most to gain – his life/power and his son/grandson. I don’t think we’ll see full tilt evil Rumple again – maybe ruthless, maybe kicking butt, but not full on evil.

Depends if S3 is the final season, I still think The Blue Fairy is going to end up the ultimate villain in the end, but yes Peter Pan does seem to be a big part of the story.

[beastwhisperer]

@KFChimera wrote:

I like that interpretation of his motivation better as there is less call to backslide, but it depends on the writers wanting to create conflict or not. I absolutely agree with you about the failure of Hook to honor Milah’s wishes. Especially the part I marked in Green. You put this so well –Hook acted out of hurt in a way that put Bae’s life in danger. Not just “not cool” but a pretty petty and rotten thing to do to any 14 year old let alone the one who could have been like a son to you. I would like to think he is trying to right that wrong rather than just feeling sorry for himself and lonely, but I do worry the writers might have some twists in store. It’s the kind of thing they did with Regina after all–you see that vulnerability, that search for love, then they’ll do something (as A&E put it) really stupid to try to get it. It really is parallel to Regina blaming a 12 year old Snow for not keeping a secret.

I’ll have to add that to the list of conversations I’d love for Regina and Hook to have. 😀

I’m hoping none of our villains do too much seesawing on this trip. I think they went too far with Regina last season, and it’s been rather detrimental to her development. And I certainly hope that they never give Hook the same level of flipflops that Regina’s had. That’s a parallel that I can happily live without.

I think that Hook’s storyline could lead to some much needed closure for him. He wants to give up his revenge, but before he can really move on he’s going to need closure for Milah and for his own actions. They’ve shown us his connection to Bae. If he didn’t help rescue Bae years ago, he can help Henry now. Confronting Neverland can help him confront the things that happened in his past there, and he can face any other traumas or skeletons he has.

I do expect plenty of tension and snark next season, but there should be some forward momentum too. After hearing Bae tell Hook that Hook was just like Rumple, I’d really like to see Hook and Rumple have to confront their similarities. For me that would be television gold, and it’s more interesting than if they went with more of the “who will double cross whom” at this point. Maybe it’s just that I want to see the characters progressing instead of regressing, especially if the new Big Bad is all that.

[brokengold]

I remember once reading in a screenwriting book about how story is always based on conflict – even if everyone has the same goal, as long they have different ideas of how to go about it, there’s more than enough conflict to fuel an interesting story. I don’t think these guys will become boring anytime soon.

Though actually I thought that Regina did get pretty boring as a character when Cora was around – there wasn’t enough conflict, she’d just decided to go along with whatever her mother wanted to do. I think it was Ruth Bell Graham who once said ‘when two people agree on everything, one of them is unnecessary.’ That’s how I felt about Regina during the Cora arc – the problem I had wasn’t that she got dark, but that she got boring. I don’t think that’ll be a problem now though. Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

[rumbelledearie]

In the interview with Adam and Eddy they said that everyone on the ship will have different ideas of how to save Henry and go about things – I think we’ll see Regina and Rumple wanting to take a more deceitful and drastic route, with Hook mostly siding with them, and the Charmings wanting to do things the “right way”. I don’t think any of them are fully reformed – they all have a common goal is all. But they’re still going to be up to their old antics. Hook still has his selfish streak and Rumple is still ruthless when angry, and Regina is impulsive and vengeful. One crisis isn’t going to wipe those traits away.
It’s going to be awesome lol.
I’m really curious about Rumple’s undoing though, as A & E said he’s going to learn the hard way what that is. I don’t think it’s death but can it really be losing his curse? Can they take away his powers in season 3? I mean he’s one of the big driving forces of the show and without his powers….what’s he going to do for the rest of the series? His whole primary struggle is choosing power or love.
Unless he still can do magic even after he’s not the Dark One anymore..

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