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None of our villains do things that are sadistic for no reason. They all have reasons, it’s whether or not the audience subjectively accepts their reasons
One Problem, Tigerlily was a princess of an entire tribe. While that may explain lack of involvement of Tigerlily it doesn’t explain the lack of involvement of her people. My theory is that he and his pirates killed the Neverland Indians (which does include woman and children) and then drowned Tigerlily, since Peter pan ordered him too. Before anyone says anything I am basing this on the historical events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre, and the Sand Creek Massacre. Which the show could use for inspiration to explain Neverland Indians absence.
[adrotate group="5"]One Problem, Tigerlily was a princess of an entire tribe. While that may explain lack of involvement of Tigerlily it doesn’t explain the lack of involvement of her people. My theory is that he and his pirates killed the Neverland Indians (which does include woman and children) and then drowned Tigerlily, since Peter pan ordered him too. Before anyone says anything I am basing this on the historical events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre, and the Sand Creek Massacre. Which the show could use for inspiration to explain Neverland Indians absence.
Um, there’s no evidence at all for any of that whatsoever, or that the Neverland Indians ever existed in the OUAT universe at all. And bringing real, historical atrocities into this just feels very…inappropriate?
-I do disagree…and even resent some statements made about Regina in the last few pages, but I’ve decided to ignore them as it would take far to long to go through every post in the past four pages. So cut, print, moving on.
Before I start what is sure to be another war discussion :P…..let me just say that Henry checking on Regina to see if she was alright…yeah kid…why didn’t you try that the night she was called a monster, and was walking home alone in tears?
But anyway I’m confused….people get onto Regina’s case when she is being a parent to Henry, and now because she’s had her heart broken and more than likely doesn’t want Henry to see her in such a depressed/terrible/broken/vulnerable state, but then finally lets him in….that’s Regina being a parent only “when she wants to.”
#AnotherExampleofNothingReginaDoesIsGoodEnough
Someone please explain….
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Let me just say that Henry checking on Regina to see if she was alright…yeah kid…why didn’t you try that the night she was called a monster, and was walking home alone in tears? But anyway I’m confused….people get onto Regina’s case when she is being a parent to Henry, and now because she’s had her heart broken and more than likely doesn’t want Henry to see her in such a depressed/terrible/broken/vulnerable state, but then finally lets him in….that’s Regina being a parent only “when she wants to.” #AnotherExampleofNothingReginaDoesIsGoodEnough Someone please explain….
Well, I can only speak for myself, but the first thing I’d say is that Henry shouldn’t have to act like the parent in their relationship; Regina’s emotional wellbeing should not rest on her 12/13-year-old child’s shoulders. Regina is putting her needs and feelings before Henry’s when she decided that she was going to shut herself off from him and everyone else (and with a raven-sent note; she didn’t even speak with him) and clearly hurt him when she did that.
It seems like Regina thinks it’s okay to be a parent only when she wants to be; is it really okay to take several days off from caring for your son because you’re feeling sad? What would she have done if she didn’t have Emma to take care of Henry during those several days?
One Problem, Tigerlily was a princess of an entire tribe. While that may explain lack of involvement of Tigerlily it doesn’t explain the lack of involvement of her people. My theory is that he and his pirates killed the Neverland Indians (which does include woman and children) and then drowned Tigerlily, since Peter pan ordered him too. Before anyone says anything I am basing this on the historical events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre, and the Sand Creek Massacre. Which the show could use for inspiration to explain Neverland Indians absence.
Um, there’s no evidence at all for any of that whatsoever, or that the Neverland Indians ever existed in the OUAT universe at all. And bringing real, historical atrocities into this just feels very…inappropriate?
Well, be fair. There’s no evidence for anything for Hook in NL. He could have been sitting on a rock cliff playing the harp and signing songs about dragons for all we know. Any headcanon people want for that time is basically fine at this point.
Regina’s emotional wellbeing should not rest on her 12/13-year-old child’s shoulders.
I agree x 1000000000000000000000
However, I also feel that it’s very OOC for Regina to not want Henry around. If anything Regina is an example of super clingy.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The whole drowning Tigerlily idea was based off the Disney/Barrie Peter Pan where Hook tries to drown her but PP saves her. In Once Pan wouldn’t be doing the saving but perhaps the ordering of the deed.
As for Regina and Henry, I’m glad Henry went to see Regina. He’s at least showing care and concern for her unlike season 2 Henry. I think Regina did the right thing sending the note. She knew that Henry had other people that would look after him. She also knew she wasn’t in the best emotional place to be right now but she also accepted Henry’s offer to help rather than trying to shut him out.
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Keeper of FelixLet me just say that Henry checking on Regina to see if she was alright…yeah kid…why didn’t you try that the night she was called a monster, and was walking home alone in tears? But anyway I’m confused….people get onto Regina’s case when she is being a parent to Henry, and now because she’s had her heart broken and more than likely doesn’t want Henry to see her in such a depressed/terrible/broken/vulnerable state, but then finally lets him in….that’s Regina being a parent only “when she wants to.” #AnotherExampleofNothingReginaDoesIsGoodEnough Someone please explain….
Well, I can only speak for myself, but the first thing I’d say is that Henry shouldn’t have to act like the parent in their relationship; Regina’s emotional wellbeing should not rest on her 12/13-year-old child’s shoulders. Regina is putting her needs and feelings before Henry’s when she decided that she was going to shut herself off from him and everyone else (and with a raven-sent note; she didn’t even speak with him) and clearly hurt him when she did that. It seems like Regina thinks it’s okay to be a parent only when she wants to be; is it really okay to take several days off from caring for your son because you’re feeling sad? What would she have done if she didn’t have Emma to take care of Henry during those several days?
Okay….sometimes having your child comfort you is the best medicine for a parent, specifically a mother. It’s something about their love that makes you feel a lot better, but another thing…parents never want their child to see them in a broken state because children have the impression that mom and dad can handle and take everything, and they look up to you for that. So while Henry comforting Regina would have made her feel better, she didn’t want to disappoint the son who always saw his mother as this strong superwoman/mom! Also, she was emotionally not all the way there, and knew it was best for Henry to stay with the family HE CHOSE. So a child’s love is a parent’s best medicine, but it often conflicts with us not wanting to disappoint or confuse our child who always looked up to us.
Regina’s emotional wellbeing should not rest on her 12/13-year-old child’s shoulders.
I agree x 1000000000000000000000 However, I also feel that it’s very OOC for Regina to not want Henry around. If anything Regina is an example of super clingy.
It wasn’t very OOC….the woman could only handle so much before she broke! The past two/three years has taken a toll on Regina’s mental/emotional state, and she knew that…and she knew that Henry would be taken care of. She probably didn’t think he’d take it as hard as he did considering he never showed that much concern for her lately…she thought she was doing what was best. Just as Elsa isolated herself from Anna.
And as for the super clingy comment…yeah…that sorta thing happens when you’ve lost everyone in your life. You hold on so tight because you’re scared you’re going to lose them too.
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Regina’s struggling with doing the wrong/right thing right now. She doesn’t want Henry to see her as a monster, so she’s pushing him away while she plots against Marian (whether she’ll go through with it is another story, but she HAS initiated something with Sidney).
It’s not entirely OOC for her to try to protect Henry that way–we’ve seen her wipe his memory, keep her entire thing with Graham from him by lying to him, etc etc. (And to be fair, both his moms aren’t being entirely upfront about their lives with Henry–Emma’s not telling him about Hook either.)
But I think that’s what’s really going on–she’s feeling like she’s being a monster and she doesn’t want him to know about it.
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And as for the super clingy comment…yeah…that sorta thing happens when you’ve lost everyone in your life. You hold on so tight because you’re scared you’re going to lose them too.
Ah, there’s another instance of Regina having to deal with consequences…she’d have had her father, with whom she clearly had a loving relationship, if she hadn’t murdered him. She and Maleficent were sort of friends, but she turned her into a dragon and then a zombie or something. She still does have the love and blind devotion of Sidney (despite having been rather cruel to him), as well as Snow still seeing her as family despite having been terrorized and almost murdered by her. Just saying…it seems like she’s killed as many or more friends and loved ones as she’s lost. (And she really has no room to talk about anyone else not thinking of consequences. )
One Problem, Tigerlily was a princess of an entire tribe. While that may explain lack of involvement of Tigerlily it doesn’t explain the lack of involvement of her people. My theory is that he and his pirates killed the Neverland Indians (which does include woman and children) and then drowned Tigerlily, since Peter pan ordered him too. Before anyone says anything I am basing this on the historical events like Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee Massacre, and the Sand Creek Massacre. Which the show could use for inspiration to explain Neverland Indians absence.
Um, there’s no evidence at all for any of that whatsoever, or that the Neverland Indians ever existed in the OUAT universe at all. And bringing real, historical atrocities into this just feels very…inappropriate?
Well, be fair. There’s no evidence for anything for Hook in NL. He could have been sitting on a rock cliff playing the harp and signing songs about dragons for all we know. Any headcanon people want for that time is basically fine at this point.
I mean sure, virtually any headcanon for anyone at all is fine, but considering we’ve seen Hook think back on and show remorse for various misdeeds, I doubt he’d be a-okay with having committed genocide and not think about that from time to time and have that affect his current actions in some way. (Also, I think it might be difficult to play a harp with only one hand and a hook, haha.)
However, there are several indications that there never were any Indians on Neverland–in a flashback in 304 Pan said “It’s lonely in Neverland. The only friends I have are the children who visit in their dreams. But they can’t stay. The boys I take back with me will.” And in a flashback in 308, The Shadow said “I am the sole inhabitant of Neverland[…]Neverland is a place for children to visit in their dreams, not a place for them to live. You were the first to try and stay. And in doing so, you’re breaking the rules.” It sure doesn’t sound like there were ever any Indians in Neverland.
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