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(And to be fair, both his moms aren’t being entirely upfront about their lives with Henry–Emma’s not telling him about Hook either.)
Ah, sorry for the multiple posts…I keep thinking of other stuff. And in this case I needed to quick check because I couldn’t remember off the top of my head, but on last night’s episode, Henry was there in the apartment with the family while Emma and Hook were holding hands and cuddling in the corner, (actually at one point Henry and Hook were each holding one of her hands) and he didn’t seem surprised so I think she must have told him by now. 😛
[adrotate group="5"]However, there are several indications that there never were any Indians on Neverland–in a flashback in 304 Pan said “It’s lonely in Neverland. The only friends I have are the children who visit in their dreams. But they can’t stay. The boys I take back with me will.” And in a flashback in 308, The Shadow said “I am the sole inhabitant of Neverland[…]Neverland is a place for children to visit in their dreams, not a place for them to live. You were the first to try and stay. And in doing so, you’re breaking the rules.” It sure doesn’t sound like there were ever any Indians in Neverland.
Oh I agree there were never any Natives in NL (Political suicide for one thing…think about how Disney portrays them. The Red Men song makes me cringe whenever I watch PP).
I have had my own headcanons about what Hook was doing and didn’t have anything to do with genocide but because we really don’t know what he did/did not do, it’s harder for me to judge, objectively, where he falls on the scope of Rumple/Regina/villainy. I can only go by what I have seen and mostly I think his misdeeds were of a more personal nature, nothing on a large scale like Regina’s village massacre. Whether or not that makes it “worse” (bad word, stupid word) or not is more subjective, naturally. I, for example, have a very hard time looking past the beating of Belle and then shooting her. I acknowledge that others feel he made up for this with that apology and that those same others can rationalize it viz a viz “revenge” “broken place” “suicidal” “true love died” (we had an entire thread on if Hook was suicidal back in the day…)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In terms of Regina, have we discussed whether or not the reason she cant attain or happiness as easily as Rumpel for example, is because this is the price of the curse at work? The hole in her heart that she cant fill, perhaps whenever she gets something that would lead her to happiness she is doomed to lose it. Perhaps the only way for her to get her happy ending…is to make it so that she never casted the curse.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICIn terms of Regina, have we discussed whether or not the reason she cant attain or happiness as easily as Rumpel for example, is because this is the price of the curse at work? The hole in her heart that she cant fill, perhaps whenever she gets something that would lead her to happiness she is doomed to lose it. Perhaps the only way for her to get her happy ending…is to make it so that she never casted the curse.
Henry was supposed to fill the hole in Regina’s heart, though. So unless that hole (metaphorical) is still “there” then I think Epona has been pointing out some reasons why Regina has not yet gotten her HEA.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In terms of Regina, have we discussed whether or not the reason she cant attain or happiness as easily as Rumpel for example, is because this is the price of the curse at work? The hole in her heart that she cant fill, perhaps whenever she gets something that would lead her to happiness she is doomed to lose it. Perhaps the only way for her to get her happy ending…is to make it so that she never casted the curse.
The moment Regina reversed the curse…I’d like to think the hole was refilled, but for Regina it never really was because Henry was not with her. The Hole in the heart should have been Snow White, but she cheated the Dark Curse out of it’s price by dividing her heart with Charming….so I don’t know anymore?
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Henry was supposed to fill the hole in Regina’s heart, though.
Supposed to fill it. She got henry because she was feeling empty, and then he grew up, became distant from her and found his biological mother. I think the hole the curse left, like Maleficent said, is one she will never be able to fill even though she has tried to fill it by adopting a child.
The moment Regina reversed the curse…I’d like to think the hole was refilled
Well she didn’t reverse, she casted it again against Pan’s curse and the price was losing henry. So, she has two unfillable holes…? Wow that…just didn’t sound appropriate at all. Idk. I just…. I think we are all thinking too much about things the writers aren’t thinking much about >>
All in all, I wouldn’t be surprised if all this is the price of the curse working its magic and soon it will rear its head for Snow who THOUGHT she could cast it and not pay a price. Heck, maybe that’s why Maleficent is coming back. Rump may have created it but only Maleficent knows much about it and Regina may seek her out to see if there is a way to cease the hole. or something.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICAll in all, I wouldn’t be surprised if all this is the price of the curse working its magic and soon it will rear its head for Snow who THOUGHT she could cast it and not pay a price. Heck, maybe that’s why Maleficent is coming back. Rump may have created it but only Maleficent knows much about it and Regina may seek her out to see if there is a way to cease the hole. or something.
My theory is that (a) we will see something come of the whole heart-sharing thing at some point and more importantly (b) Snow cast the curse with good intentions rather than evil, and the heart to be sacrificed was given willingly out of love–so perhaps she never had that hole in her (half of a) heart. I’d be perfectly okay with that explanation myself; it makes more sense than some of the other stuff we’ve seen on the show, haha.
In terms of Regina, have we discussed whether or not the reason she cant attain or happiness as easily as Rumpel for example, is because this is the price of the curse at work?
Um….I don’t think he attained happiness at all. Yes, he got to reconcile with his son…who then DIED. He only had a few hours where both Belle and Bae were in his life. He had to literally die himself to stop his own father from killing his son and true love, facing every fear he had in the process.
Not easy at all. Regina’s been through a lot, but she hasn’t died yet–and for the moment, she has the person she loves most, her son, with her.
And yes, for the moment, he’s in that flicker of happiness of marrying his true love, but there are things dangling over that happiness like the swinging axe in The Pendulum and we, and he, all know it.
For a short time Regina was happy with Robin and her son, too. The fact that her happiness ended a little bit sooner than Rumple’s will (and we know it will) doesn’t change that fact.
Anyway, if they all had their happy endings, the show would be over.
But -if- you want to argue that the curse hurt her more than Rumple, I agree. He engineered it that way. He had about 150 years to plan it that Regina didn’t. He’s a smart man who gained extra insight and literal foresight with the powers he got as the DO and from the Seer, plus a century and then some of experience before Regina was even born. She’s a very intelligent woman (he’s said so himself), but he’s a virtual god in terms of knowledge & ability (and the fact that she occasionally has beaten him at his own games is a testament to just how bright she is, so I’m not knocking Regina at all by saying this). He’s had the advantage the whole time with regards to the curse–and any other deal he’s made–because he planned it that way.
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Personally, I think finding the author of the book, and asking him/her to give villains happy endings is opening up a whole huge can of worms.
Meaning, that book has no stories from Storybrooke. They’re all from the Enchanted Forest, before Regina cast her curse and before Regina’s redemption. As far as I’ve seen, the characters in the book are 100% different than the characters we know from Storybrooke.
As a redeemed woman Regina’s happy ending looks completely different than the happy ending the book’s Regina would want.
If the story was changed, and villain Regina was given her happy ending, wouldn’t that ending be a dead Snow White, and Queen Regina with total rule over her kingdom? Wouldn’t Maleficent’s happy ending be a dead Queen Regina?
And, let’s say we go with present day characters. What would the evil Snow Queen perceive her happy ending to be.
If you assume the author is a good guy, you could assume he/she might write some sweet tender happy endings. But, what if the author was himself a villain. Maybe he’d write some creepy evil yummy happy endings where all the villains live happily, evilly ever after.Not sure where I was going with this. I just don’t think this will be as simple as Regina thinks it might be.
Personally, I think finding the author of the book, and asking him/her to give villains happy endings is opening up a whole huge can of worms. Meaning, that book has no stories from Storybrooke. They’re all from the Enchanted Forest, before Regina cast her curse and before Regina’s redemption.
That’s a really good point–are any events from Storybrooke in the book at all? Does that mean that Regina wants to get rid of Storybrooke entirely (again) and go back to the EF so the book can change things? Hm.
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