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Personally, I think finding the author of the book, and asking him/her to give villains happy endings is opening up a whole huge can of worms. Meaning, that book has no stories from Storybrooke. They’re all from the Enchanted Forest, before Regina cast her curse and before Regina’s redemption.
That’s a really good point–are any events from Storybrooke in the book at all? Does that mean that Regina wants to get rid of Storybrooke entirely (again) and go back to the EF so the book can change things? Hm.
Like many things Regina does, she didn’t think this through. She walked into a wedding and threatened to destroy everyone’s happy ending….but had no plan. Rumple had to remind her of the Curse.
This is pretty much that…I will get my happy ending by finding the book author and force them to write me a happy ending!!….but what does that mean for like…everyone else and the town and everything that has happened since creation of book.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well, for Regina it’s rarely mattered what it meant for anyone else. She is an inherently self-centered woman, and that is what has made her a villain–she pursues what she wants regardless of how it affects others. She’s occasionally moved past that, but it’s a habit that’s clearly going to die hard.
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Well, for Regina it’s rarely mattered what it meant for anyone else. She is an inherently self-centered woman, and that is what has made her a villain–she pursues what she wants regardless of how it affects others. She’s occasionally moved past that, but it’s a habit that’s clearly going to die hard.
Agreed. I get the impression that Regina’s ideal happy ending would still be exactly what she wanted in season two–everyone dead besides her and Henry (and now Robin, I suppose).
Like many things Regina does, she didn’t think this through. She walked into a wedding and threatened to destroy everyone’s happy ending….but had no plan. Rumple had to remind her of the Curse. This is pretty much that…I will get my happy ending by finding the book author and force them to write me a happy ending!!….but what does that mean for like…everyone else and the town and everything that has happened since creation of book.
This even though I’m an Evil Regal, I will agree with. Sometimes Regina doesn’t think a lot of things through, and I could give examples, but I’m sure most of you would be delighted to go down the list on those things. But the number one thing she didn’t think through was adopting Henry…she had been so blinded by loneliness along with the hole in her heart, which I wanna say Adam and Eddy said was filled by Henry, that she didn’t slow down and think that one day this child would get older, and see that no one in town ages, and all of his classmates seem to flunk their grade every year. So that is one instance where she did not think things through.
As for her happy ending….If Regina decided to go back and give herself a happy ending, I’m wondering if that would mean Snow White never catching her and Daniel. If that one tiny scene was rewritten, instantly all the happy endings would go back in place, well all the happy endings that Regina affected. Which means all the lives she took, as well as the misery and torture her Evil Queen days inflicted would be undone and disappear. So in a way…Regina’s not just giving herself a happy ending, she’s giving back the happy ending to all those she took from.
But as lovely as all that would sound, we’d still have the Henry situation! What would happen to Henry? What would happen to Emma? Because Snow only met Charming because Regina sent her on the run, so Snow White’s happy ending is strangely owed to Regina. Between choosing her family, and her happy ending….I think Regina will realize she has a lot more to lose if she changed the past, which will ultimately stop her from pursuing the Book’s Author. And who knows….Regina may just ask the Book’s Author to bring her back Daniel! Because even though Daniel may have not been her soul mate…he was still her true love.
Well, for Regina it’s rarely mattered what it meant for anyone else. She is an inherently self-centered woman, and that is what has made her a villain–she pursues what she wants regardless of how it affects others. She’s occasionally moved past that, but it’s a habit that’s clearly going to die hard.
Self Centered woman….in the past during her Evil Queen days. Evil was not born, it was made. And that’s not a habit that’s dying hard…and to downplay all the times she willingly acted selfless and heroic and calling it “occasionally moving past” is a tad insulting to all the hard work and effort she’s put into redeeming herself, and being the person her family wants her to be.
Well, for Regina it’s rarely mattered what it meant for anyone else. She is an inherently self-centered woman, and that is what has made her a villain–she pursues what she wants regardless of how it affects others. She’s occasionally moved past that, but it’s a habit that’s clearly going to die hard.
Agreed. I get the impression that Regina’s ideal happy ending would still be exactly what she wanted in season two–everyone dead besides her and Henry (and now Robin, I suppose).
Well…what a way to have hope for redemption? Must we replay Season 3? The Charmings are Regina’s family now, given two of them are idiots, they’re still family. And she’s come too far to want everyone dead except Henry. Perhaps this woman, whose been through h*** and back just wants peace for once in her life?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Does anyone recognize the double standards going on here? I feel as though Regina is being ganged up on here, while others are being given a free pass. As of S3, she is the one out of all the main villains who has actually reformed the most. I’m not even an Evil Regal, but I recognize that Regina has made more progress on the road to redemption than either Hook or Rumple.
In 3b, Hook killed Blackbeard for a ship, and allowed everyone to think he’d helped Ariel reunite with Eric. Rumple killed Zelena to avenge his son’s death, and then lied about it. Regina, on the other hand, saved everyone from her sister and then even saved Marian, the woman whose very presence means the end of Regina’s hopes for romance with Robin. She may be tempted to turn to evil methods, but so far has shown herself to be resisting that temptation. Instead of actually harming Marian, she saved her for the sake of Robin and Roland.
So, please think twice before vilifying Regina while turning a blind eye to the very real misdeeds of Hook and Rumple.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
And who knows….Regina may just ask the Book’s Author to bring her back Daniel! Because even though Daniel may have not been her soul mate…he was still her true love.
That’s an interesting idea; if the book’s author is powerful enough to do that, that would tie everything up neatly. And I know there was no pixie dust, but Regina considered Daniel her soul mate–when speaking with Tinker Bell that first time, she asked if she really could find her another soul mate.
Well…what a way to have hope for redemption? Must we replay Season 3? The Charmings are Regina’s family now, given two of them are idiots, they’re still family. And she’s come too far to want everyone dead except Henry. Perhaps this woman, whose been through h*** and back just wants peace for once in her life?
Well she’s the one who’s been standing in the way of peace for herself and everyone else. Like I said, I just can’t buy her “redemption” without some indication that she’s actually sorry for what she’s done, and that she’s accepted responsibility for her terrible deeds and stopped blaming other people. I don’t know exactly how Regina feels about anyone anymore really, and as we’ve seen in the first episode, her first instinct when angry was still to kill people who are in the way of what she feels she deserves. Although like I said, I think the idea of getting her happy ending by bringing Daniel back could be a good one, and as far as I can tell wouldn’t really hurt anyone else if it were done sort of the way Marian came back, without changing events before.
I feel as though Regina is being ganged up on here, while others are being given a free pass. As of S3, she is the one out of all the main villains who has actually reformed the most. I’m not even an Evil Regal, but I certain recognize that Regina has made more progress on the road to redemption than either Hook or Rumple.
I do agree with you, the other ‘villains’ have done misdeeds, some of which I don’t think will ever be addressed on screen by the writers. I think the reason Regina is being ganged upon is because she ‘s the one who is taking “fate” into her own hands by seeking out the author of the book, thereby trying to force her own happy ending.
And if we want to get super technical…everyone on this show has something to pay for, right down to Snow and the role she played–however big or small you think it might be– in Cora’s death.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think it’s because we’re discussing Regina more than the others–to say Regina has done x or y says NOTHING about what Hook/Rumple have done. Both of them have been pretty self-centered too: Hook’s vengeance mattered more than Belle’s life (or Emma’s at one point), for example. “Protecting” Bae (or avenging him) mattered a lot more to Rumple than anything else.
But while it’s fair to compare the villains/antiheroes, a comment about one does not mean that the crimes/good deeds of another are being ignored.
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Does anyone recognize the double standards going on here? I feel as though Regina is being ganged up on here. Yet, as of S3, she is the one out of all the main anti-heroes who has actually made the most substantial progress. I’m not even an Evil Regal, but I certain recognize that Regina has made more progress on the road to redemption than either Hook or Rumple.
As of S3b, Hook had killed Blackbeard for a ship. Rumple had killed Zelena to avenge his son’s death. Regina, on the other hand, saved everyone from her sister and then even saved Marian, the woman whose very presence means the end of Regina’s hopes for romance. She may be tempted to turn to evil methods, but so far has shown herself to be resisting that temptation. Instead of actually harming Marian, she saved her for the sake of Robin and Roland.
So, please think twice before vilifying Regina while turning a blind eye to the very real misdeeds of Hook and Rumple.
Well like I said, my issue is that Regina hasn’t really expressed any regret or taken responsibility for what she’s done (and in fact has done the complete opposite “I should be overflowing with regret–but I’m not!”). And she may have given up on the idea of going back in time and killing Marian before Emma could rescue her, but she still plans to find the author of the book and force him or her to give her a happy ending instead. And the way she intends to do that involved imprisoning a man inside a mirror (even while he begged her not to), after having left him in a cell for a couple years (taking the blame for her crimes), and forgetting about him completely. That just doesn’t seem all that redeemed to me.
Of course Rumple and Hook have done bad things too (although Hook has committed far fewer crimes and less severe ones than the other two) and he’s expressed remorse through both words and actions. Is he officially “done” with making amends or whatever? No, of course not–and I don’t think someone’s ever really “done” with that. I could continue, but I went back and looked at some of my previous posts, and I don’t really know what else I could say that’s not repeating myself. I guess I could make a list of Regina’s crimes versus Rumple’s crimes versus Hook’s crimes, but that would take a while, haha.
ETA: Yeah, the above replies say it much more succinctly than I did, haha. No one’s saying Regina’s the only villain on the show.
I don’t know exactly how Regina feels about anyone anymore really, and as we’ve seen in the first episode, her first instinct when angry was still to kill people who are in the way of what she feels she deserves.
To address this point, having a temptation is not the same thing as giving into a temptation. Is Regina still tempted by dark magic? Yes, just as recovering alcoholics are still tempted by alcohol. That craving for one more drink never goes away. Yet, it’s giving into that craving that makes a person stray from the path of recovery.
Regina from S1 never would have saved Marian. She would have killed her and then tried to kill Emma the way she once tried to kill Snow. Instead, Regina in S4, withdrew in hurt instead of lashing out, and even saved Marian’s life. If that doesn’t show real progress, then I don’t know what else does. She has so far been resisting the temptation to give into evil.
I think the reason Regina is being ganged upon is because she ‘s the one who is taking “fate” into her own hands by seeking out the author of the book, thereby trying to force her own happy ending.
Fair point, but whether or not she even can rewrite her happy ending is different from resorting to evil-as is what that happy ending entails. If she does manage to convince the writer of the book to give her a happy ending, then it will really matter what that happy ending looks like. That happy ending may not even include Robin, but may just be her and Henry being happy. It sounds like Henry is going to be helping her out in finding the author of his book, so it can’t be all bad. Maybe something good will even come of it.
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