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Um… isn’t Rumple a “Villain” with a Happy Ending? And The Red Queen…she is a “Villain” with a happy ending too, no?
It seems that “villains” are capable of redemption without finding the author of the book
[adrotate group="5"]Um… isn’t Rumple a “Villain” with a Happy Ending? And The Red Queen…she is a “Villain” with a happy ending too, no? It seems that “villains” are capable of redemption without finding the author of the book
Has Rumple been redeemed though? He did just murder someone last season.
The Red Queen..yes. But she owned up to her mistakes and failing. She was even willing to die (and did die) for them.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Um… isn’t Rumple a “Villain” with a Happy Ending? And The Red Queen…she is a “Villain” with a happy ending too, no? It seems that “villains” are capable of redemption without finding the author of the book
Has Rumple been redeemed though? He did just murder someone last season. The Red Queen..yes. But she owned up to her mistakes and failing. She was even willing to die (and did die) for them.
And the question remains….What does it take for villains to be fully redeemed within the eyes of the good? Because as soon as villains do get on their feet, and try to make a change….they have NO support from the good side. And no support usually means slipping back into nasty habits. Hence, Henry not going after Regina, thus we have what we have.
No matter what the villains do! The Heroes are always there to move the bar and expectations to an inconsiderable height, that makes it near impossible for the villains to match. It’s like the popular club, no matter what the nerds did, they could NEVER get in. The Heroes are very much hypocrites to me….I think they feel their position would be challenged because they know that villains have the potential to become even better Heroes because villains aren’t afraid to get dark and dirty to get the job done. Heroes will just talk themselves out the situation first, or try to compromise….(cough) Charmings (cough). But the villains, oh the villains (Regina, Rumple, Hook) will curse, beat, torture the information out of their foes, thus solving the situation much faster than the heroes can, ala the Neverland Mission.
But even still…no matter what the villains may do or say….they are never deemed good enough to be on the good list. Heroes are nothing special, nor are they perfect, the Charmings have clearly shown that! We still don’t know what makes Emma Swan so dang special that she was deemed the title savior, like there had to be thousands of other newborn babies out there in the Enchanted Forest who were born by the same slightly obsessive true love that the Charmings had! What made Emma so special?
It’s high time villains get their happy ending, redeemed villains though. Even the Villains who had a chance for redemption but were denied it…those villains need a chance to right their wrong. And those that already have righted their wrong, if their still being denied a happy ending….then something is wrong with the Heroes.
And I think Regina’s earned her hero title….does Storybrooke appreciate her for it? Do the Charmings acknowledge it? No! They automatically assume that Emma did it….nothing peeved me off more than when Hook told Emma that “she defeated Zelena”….like really? Any good deeds Regina has done were swept under the rug, concealed from public view….and the ones that the public do see, they give one clap and move on. With that type of support, I can’t blame Regina for regressing back into old habits because after everything she’s done, it’s never enough….and as long as Storybrooke remains “Hero Only, Screw Reforming Or Not Villains,” It never will be.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And the question remains….What does it take for villains to be fully redeemed within the eyes of the good? Because as soon as villains do get on their feet, and try to make a change….they have NO support from the good side. And no support usually means slipping back into nasty habits. Hence, Henry not going after Regina, thus we have what we have.
I’m pretty sure Emma went after Regina. So that’s something. Regina may be angry at Emma for bringing back Marian, but Emma actually did the descent human thing of saving an innocent woman’s life, something which Regina actually did this time herself by saving Marian from the snow monster. So that shows progress for Regina in the eyes of Emma, who seems genuinely to care about Regina. Also, it’s not really appropriate for Henry to be Regina’s main support system, though he does love her truly as a mother, as evidenced by TLK. He’s her kid and not yet an adult, so he’s really not equipped to take on Regina’s adult emotional needs. He needs someone looking after him, rather than him having to look his parents. Emma going after Regina was way more appropriate since she’s actually an adult friend and a co-parent with Regina.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
And I think Regina’s earned her hero title….does Storybrooke appreciate her for it? Do the Charmings acknowledge it? No! They automatically assume that Emma did it….nothing peeved me off more than when Hook told Emma that “she defeated Zelena”….like really? Any good deeds Regina has done were swept under the rug, concealed from public view….and the ones that the public do see, they give one clap and move on. With that type of support, I can’t blame Regina for regressing back into old habits because after everything she’s done, it’s never enough….and as long as Storybrooke remains “Hero Only, Screw Reforming Or Not Villains,” It never will be.
So you really think one or two good things are enough to make up for ALL of the terrible stuff she’s done? Stuff that she outright said she doesn’t even regret? It seems that in Regina’s mind only other people have to deal with the consequences of their actions…
Also–and this applies to all the “villains”, not just Regina–wouldn’t the “happy endings” of those people whose loved ones had been murdered include seeing their killers brought to justice? Like I said before, I agree with what @PriceofMagic said earlier–it just doesn’t seem possible for everyone to have a happy ending at the same time.
And I think Regina’s earned her hero title….does Storybrooke appreciate her for it? Do the Charmings acknowledge it? No! They automatically assume that Emma did it….nothing peeved me off more than when Hook told Emma that “she defeated Zelena”….like really? Any good deeds Regina has done were swept under the rug, concealed from public view….and the ones that the public do see, they give one clap and move on. With that type of support, I can’t blame Regina for regressing back into old habits because after everything she’s done, it’s never enough….and as long as Storybrooke remains “Hero Only, Screw Reforming Or Not Villains,” It never will be.
So you really think one or two good things are enough to make up for ALL of the terrible stuff she’s done? Stuff that she outright said she doesn’t even regret? It seems that in Regina’s mind only other people have to deal with the consequences of their actions… Also–and this applies to all the “villains”, not just Regina–wouldn’t the “happy endings” of those people whose loved ones had been murdered include seeing their killers brought to justice? Like I said before, I agree with what @PriceofMagic said earlier–it just doesn’t seem possible for everyone to have a happy ending at the same time.
One or two good deeds…??? Must I give the Regina Good Deeds Gif again? This woman has done everything, even willing to sacrifice her own life just so the people she cursed could get away in time….if that’s not redeeming enough, then nothing never will be.
The Victims in SB who were under Regina, Rumple, Hook, Zelena, Cora, etc, era of Darkness have seen them suffer!
Cora dead.
Zelena dead.
Hook….no clue what price he paid yet.
Rumplestilskin was treated like an animal by Zelena, and then lost his son Neal, the reason behind his 300 years of darkness!
Regina lost not only her true love a second time, her mother was killed, her sister was killed, she had to give her son up more times than I can count, sacrificed her own happy ending to save the people she cursed, then lost her soul mate, her very last chance at happiness!
The Villains have PAID their dues! An eye for an eye, well all of that is paid now….Storybrooke has seen them suffer for their sins! Now it’s the time to cut print and move on! Villains deserve their chance at happiness, since they’ve clearly paid a heavy price for their wrong.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I agree with something @PriceofMagic and @CallMeLola said: it’s unrealistic for everyone to get a happily ever after. This is something we touched on in our summer love and romance thread a bit as well: the fact that ONCE has gotten away from “reality” too much. The families of the victims of our villains can never have a happily ever after because their loved ones were taken from them. In this episode Regina admits to Sidney that she killed many, captured many…well, how do the families of those get happy endings?
Now with that said, if you don’t think that somehow, magically, everyone will get a HEA then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. It will happen. Everyone will get their HEA, but that doesn’t..quite…fit.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree with both Epona and WR. Regina has done many terrible things and she has done some good things. However, if we’re basing one good thing cancels out one bad thing, then Regina still has a lot of bad deeds to make up for.
I do agree that the Charmings (and Snowing in particular) are very hypocritical. They use the “villain’s” help when they want it and other times they treat them like dirt. For example, Rumple is the only reason that Snow and Charming are together after their first meeting. Yet that didn’t stop Charming from locking Rumple in a prison cell just because Cinderella didn’t read her contract.
Regina is doing the thing she’s always done. She’s blaming others rather than taking responsibility for her actions. For example, she’s blaming Emma for ruining her happy ending, when it is Regina’s actions that are ruining her own happy ending. Even now, Regina is looking for an author to give her a happy ending rather than earning it herself through hard work. Regina always tries to take the easy route.
Regina thinks Robin is her happy ending, but frankly she deserves better. OQ is dead in the water now, Regina will always be second best for Robin.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIf Regina (or anyone) wants a happy ending then she needs to earn it (and she HAS started on that path). But she cannot manipulate the situations or “change fate” to get herself a happy ending.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree with something @PriceofMagic and @CallMeLola said: it’s unrealistic for everyone to get a happily ever after. This is something we touched on in our summer love and romance thread a bit as well: the fact that ONCE has gotten away from “reality” too much. The families of the victims of our villains can never have a happily ever after because their loved ones were taken from them. In this episode Regina admits to Sidney that she killed many, captured many…well, how do the families of those get happy endings? Now with that said, if you don’t think that somehow, magically, everyone will get a HEA then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. It will happen. Everyone will get their HEA, but that doesn’t..quite…fit.
I too agree that the point of Emma’s mission as the Savior is unrealistic…she can’t bring back everyone’s happy ending. But let’s look at the families of those who were killed….they were killed in the EF where life for a peasant was terrible! Harsh winters, terrible crop, no money….but the Dark Curse managed to bring all of those peasants to Storybrooke where everything is near equal. Grocery store, indoor heat, indoor plumbing, democracy, ovens and stoves, cars….the peasants lives are much simpler. So true in fact that one of their loved ones are dead, they know that their loved ones would want them to enjoy the pleasantries that our world now gives them, thus giving them some form of a Happily Ever After.
The Peasants Happily Ever After is being in our world, where they are free, have some money, able to live in a home and not some hut….that’s their happy ending.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
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